Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

P.J.C...Belgium wants in on European web blocklist

The world has gone stark raving mad!.

No, it is just a case of the usually silent moral majority being wakened from their relative slumber and at last getting the pendulum to swing the other way.

For too long too many of us have sat back and allowed the immoral and evil doers who share our oxygen to get away with abusing freedom of choice by choosing to do what is bad and negative for/to our communities, culture, societies and civilisation.

For too long we've allowed wickedness to increase unchecked so that instead of being able to allow our children to play unfettered and free from sun-up to sun-down, we are now too scared to let them out of our sight for more than 30 seconds.

For too long we've had to make concessions that at any moment can expose any of us by pure accident to that which we would rather have lived an entire lifetime without witnessing.

For too long we've given chances and second chances and tried and hoped to reason the best way forward to bring about the best world possible, yet for too long we've been forced to accept virtually without complaint or recourse things that are basically intolerable as well as historically part of the ruin of any culture or civilisation.

Well folks, your greed and lack of control has done it to yourselves yet again for at last the tide is turning, the pendulum is reversing its swing and there is a ground swell movement to roll back the philosphies and practices of the depraved world you want to inflict upon us all to our inevitable judgement and destruction.

And not before time.

Yup, I'm busy putting my time and my money towards a bringing to an end of the kind of world you want, and guess what, according to the promises and prophecies (if you prefer) that continue to prove themselves accurate with every passing day, not only is my time and money being well spent, but also that new and better world is eventually going to be achieved ... and not only that, but the likes of ILCF will not be needed in that world because no one will even dream of creating or promoting the kinds of things that would justify it.

The world has not gone mad. It has just finally got angry enough about the way the world has gone for so long to at last start trying to do the right thing about it.

ILCF is obviously not the perfect solution ... but it is a start in the right direction until certain people start choosing to make righteousness and doing the right thing by their neighbour a priority again rather than the base selfishness that currently is their norm.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

There seems to be more sex o TV and over the telephone.

Is someone going to put in place a mandatory filter for these ?

As a shift worker regularly confronted with having to change the TV channel to ABC thanks to all the degrading, insulting, and bile inducing "FLIRT" and "Girls gone wild" etc etc etc ads that come on after midnight on the commercial channels, I for one certainly hope so.

OTOH, at least channel surfing in Oz isn't as dangerous as it is in France ...

At least the inevitable death of newsprint is going to bring a relative end to the death of trees used to provide "personals"/prostitution pages.

Google News is my only "newspaper" these days, and the sooner the majority of us similarly make that change, the better AFAIC.

In a "clean feed" ILCF treated internut, that is ...

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23 to mod WarT

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1123716&r=17830112#r17830112
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Interesting. So it is now deemed "off topic" to directly quote (and ONLY directly quote) a previously posted letter from Senator Conroy regarding ILCF in an area dedicated to talking about ILCF in direct response to someone asking for an update about that very topic re: politics of what is going on ?

regarDS

(The above whim is in response to WarT's blatting of the previously listed blog entry reproduction of a post to whirlpool. Me thinks WarT doesn't like me much and is looking for any excuse to put my blat count up so that I can be sent on another holiday from the forum ...

What do you think ?

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

Does anyone have the lowdown on the current state of the filtering trials? Not just the technical details but the politics...

Where is Conroy coming from?

Partly from here:

"Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australias have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.

The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition if rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.

The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that participating economies agree to 'Ensure a trusted Internet-based environment which offers protection to individuals, especially minors and other vulnerable groups'.

The existing ACMA blacklist is a list of internet web pages which are defined as 'prohibited' under Australian legislation. The list has been in place since 2000 and currently contains around 1300 URLs.

The ACMA blacklist is developed by complaints by the public about online content to the ACMA hotline. ACMA does not arbitrarily assess and classify content. Online content is assessed in accordance with the National Classification Scheme."

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

those offended can block their ears / turn off the radio/tv/pc and find something else to entertain them.

... and we should just hold our breath whenever we encounter smokers, too ? (rolls eyes).

The reality is we should not have to be confronted with the deplorable and immoral in the first place.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

> Communications are Commonwealth acts.

Fair enough, but isn't the definition of child porn different for each state? Or is there also a federal definition?

Nah, more like for each country – which is something else needing addressing in the long run.

To play it safe I propose that come the "New World Order" and "Global Community" being called for by everyone from Bush to Obama to Blair to Brown (etc, etc), the age of adulthood and sexual consent all over the globe should be bumped back up to 21 again (from where it was for much of the Western World in the 1950s and early 60s) which would no doubt render most existing pr0n as being CP with a stroke of a pen.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

"You wish to restrict the very thing that is vastly improving our society for the better?"

Not in the slightest - it is the very thing I've been consistently arguing for because after all, for a successful and functioning society to remain that way requires continually RESTRICTING in various ways that which is detrimental to it.

Permitting "anything goes" does not a successful society make, so in order to improve our society for the better it only stands to reason that restrictions and regulations continue to be brought to bear upon virtually everything our society uses, which obviously must include our communication systems which are obviously currently able to be grossly mis-used ... and to the obvious detriment of us all at that when one considers the ancient observation and promise that "righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people", and all that.

In short, I'm all for making Oz a more righteous nation and society and for attempts to be made to prevent the spread and flow of that which poisons and corrupts our society (and clearly ILCF is one such attempt), but I'm also all for that which might also see Krudd's government ousted after but a single term ... I'll accept either as A Win but would prefer to have both. :)

I fail to see how the banning and/or prevention of sharing by our communication systems every kind of pr0n and unauthorised (c) content could be anything other than BENEFICIAL to our nation and society, let alone do anything other than IMPROVE the general speed and family friendliness of The Net.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

Mark Newton writes...
"It is a fundamental human right to have access to food, water and other necessities of life. You don't have to observe any kind of responsibility to qualify for that right."

Etc. Dunno where on earth you think this might be happening, but it certainly isn't in Oz, Mark. Last time I looked, if you wanna continue to get a Centrelink benefit then you've also got to prove that you're keeping up your end of the bargain re: your "mutual obligations".

We don't have the right to eat what we have neither earned nor been given and to do so is generally classed as theft and/or trespass and not much has changed in that regard since the days of Moses, etc. Sure, our society charitably will ensure various of us receive certain things here and there gratis temporarily in many cases and even permanently in other cases but generally there is an understanding that the receipient should be trying to get themselves to the stage where they earn their daily bread again instead of forever depending on the rest of us. How many societies do you know of that enjoy and welcome free-loaders forever bludging ?

Rights and Responsibilities intrinsically linked again, and in this case (as is usual) a greater expectation and importance on Responsibilities. ie, the responsibility of those in a position of being able to help to help and the helpless to turn that help into self-help. In fact, "Rights" barely gets a peep in that Very Real reality.

No one has a right to just jump in a vehicle and just drive all over the place any way they choose. What they do have The Right to do is sit the medicals and tests, learn the rules, and prove that they are aware of their road responsibilities. The presumption is But Of Course that they are then going to prefer those responsibilities but either way, "Rights" barely figures in that either.

This sort of thing is what I want to see happening for your precious internut (which is a convenience and a luxury but hardly something that could be deemed a necessity let alone a right, yet certainly something that comes with a whole load of associated responsibility) and I believe that the likes of ILCF is but a small stepping stone in getting across that necessary river.

To date ILCF has been sold badly but I reckon it and greater than it would be loudly demanded by the Oz majority if it was tied in with the reality of providing a lasting True Clean Feed rather than some twaddle about stopping CP.

And this is another reason why I continue to support it.

Another reason is because I don't want Oz to become like France.

And yes, I admit that another reason is that I hope the issue as it currently is helps see the ALP kicked out of government for a long time to come. :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22

"DS...... if it upsets you so much, just stop looking at the stuff. Solved."

Mark: He'll stop watching as soon as the French TV guys untie him from his chair :-)

Heh. How goes our continuing plan to discredit and get the ALP thrown out of government next election, brother ? Is this still something we are united in ?

Anyway, aside from that particular positive that ILCF can help deliver, why should I or anyone else have to be careful how we channel surf on TV or net surf on the McWeb ?

I'd rather have a Clean TV feed and Clean Internut Feed and not have to worry ... and what sort of parent wouldn't say the same ?

As for the likes of those who say things like "don't look and you won't have to be offended", then isn't that part of the reason so many areas of this planet are grubby polluted places these days ?

My guess is those who say such things rarely bother to try and keep their own community or city clean by picking up other thoughtless folk's rubbish but instead are prone to tipping engine oil down stormwater drains and playing their home theatre rigs at painful volumes late at night with the windows open.

ie, the kind of people who really only care about themselves.

Surely, in terms of the "Golden Rule" and all that, we all have a duty to ensure that our neighbours are not only discouraged if not prevented from harming themselves, but also prevented from bringing harm to the community let alone society in the long run ?

There we are, back to responsibilities and rights again. :)

Sure, ILCF is a bit like closing the barn door after the horses have bolted when one considers the depraved and embarrasing humiliations that are being inconsiderately broadcast into the ether on public TV in some countries, but hey, at least any Real Intelligence "out there" can now also see that at least SOME of us are trying to right the wrongs and that not all earth types are so easy and with strange inclinations. ;)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22

"Who would have thought the government's proposed Internet filtering scheme would bring together so many disparate groups all united in their opposition to mandatory censorship?
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http://www.techworld.com.au/article/273031/strange_bedfellows_sex_it_unite_stop_net_censorship

I for one would happily vote for a Government which would seek to outlaw/make illegal all "X" rated material in Oz as well as make an "X" rating a more likely classification to be handed out. Same vote for a Government which made any kind of "sex industry" in Oz more difficult for anyone to become involved in (or make money out of) and brought greater penalties and punishments upon the customers of prostitutes rather than the prostitutes themselves - ie, reduce the need for supply by making the demand too unattractive.

Heck, put it all off-shore and don't let those who go off-shore for it back into the country, AFAIC ... and I bet I'm far from being alone with that sentiment.

Interesting the kinds of groups that get listed in that article and fascinating that they should come out into the light of day when the chosen lifestyles and/or questionable livelihoods are confronted with the potential of a "CLEAN FEED" and "FILTERED INTERNET" and it says a lot about the kind of Oz they selfishly want to inflict upon us all.

Yet I bet most of them prefer to drink filtered and clean water when they aren't busy trying to turn Oz into a revist of the last days of Pompeii, etc.

Ah well, at very least the threat of ILCF has helped draw a new line in the sand and made it easier to determine on yet another level just where the morality of Oz currently is and where it is heading.

regarDS