Showing posts with label WarT. Show all posts
Showing posts with label WarT. Show all posts

Monday, March 16, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

@18492727 Mark Newton writes...
["With all that scrutiny over all that time, if there was a definitive indication of harm we'd have found it by now and it'd be common knowledge."]


We have, it is, and so I must say that you are either lying or trolling (and have herringed accordingly on the latter, although I doubt if WarT will be inclined to agree) here Mark ... and I suspect you are quite aware that you are in fact doing both.

Anyway, to keep things simple for you, here is just two names for you to digest today.

Bob Crane and John Worboys.

Then when you are done with your investigations there, head over to http://www.woai.com/content/news/newslinks/story/Porn-addiction-may-cause-brain-damage/pEv5fGR-xEu5AIrXNg5iFA.cspx

Today, more than ever, we need greater and far more strict control of unwholesome and degrading graphic information. As for the damaging effects of such information, even blind freddy could see that it is self-evident.

Except to addicts in denial out to justify and protect their supply at all costs that is ...

regarDS

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

'saving' the children from obscenity just leaves them ill-prepared for the real world... better to shove it in their faces and discuss/explain it with them than shield them from it all together.

Or alternatively try and make the world a better place for young AND old by encouraging one and all to consider the higher responsibilities of true freedom and the beauty of free willed sacrifice in order to bring worthwhile benefit to others, and the recognition that sometimes the weak-willed need to be helped and guided to the better path and way by limiting their choices in relation to that which hinders and degrades.

Surely one of the higher responsibilities of the truly free would be to make every sacrifice necessary to protect the innocence of children and by doing so, also be unselfishly contributing towards creating a better future for humankind, and surely, when it comes to the weak-willed who are either unwilling or unable to make such sacrifices, when it comes to The Online World, something like ILCF needs to be implimented to make the choices and defining/dividing line so much simpler.

Sure, "worldproof the child" while there is the need to, but why not also work towards "childproofing the world" until the day is reached where no "worldproofing" is required ?

regarDS

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt28

richary writes...
Email just sent to Getup through their contact page.....

I recently donated to the campaign to place advertisements relating to the anti internet filtering scheme proposed for Australia. Like many other people I have yet to see an online ad.

Can you please advise where the money donated for this campaign has gone? Where the ads appeared and if it was spent on this campaign.

If you have diverted to something else I will be taking action via Visa who I donated through as well as the local Consumer Affairs people that you have collected money fraudelenty and I did not get what I paid for.

Regards

Richard


Take action Richary. But I did warn all you guys way back in these threads (don't bother looking for it, it was blatted and so only lives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com now:)) that giving to the left-wing environmentalist front organisation "GetUp!" was a foolish idea and that at first opportunity they would be redirecting "donations" to their more serious agendas.

See: http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/posted-dbcde-blog-site.html in which I say:

"That the likes of the putrid lefty "GetUp!" lobbying group have now chosen to now align themselves with this latest public fad topic (no doubt in order to fleece a new breed of sheep then redirect conned, uh, donated funds to their more extreme lefty agendas where-ever possible) is one of the best indications that the likes of ILCF is not only well justified but also well overdue.

Why ? Well since when did the likes of GetUp! ever get involved in supporting what is actually Good and Right for Australia ?"

and: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-up-stand-up-getup-for-your-lefts.html which includes my waffle of:

"... They've now reached the stage where they are haplessly handing over cash to an Oz organization that is so Radically-Extreme-Yet-Carefully-Camouflaged-Left that they make the Evil Lefty Greens look like die Hitler-Jugend !

But Of Course I am referring to "GetUp!". If you've not heard of them before, the "GetUp!" stands for "Greenie Environmentalist Terrorists Undermining Peace!" though they would never tell you it stands for that ... but Der Apfel fällt nicht weit vom Baum, ja?

This gaily painted sinister lobbying group casts the combined shadow of every Lefty political party you could imagine, including those yet to be spawned from whatever Bog of Eternal Stench it is that continually manages to foist such wrongness upon common humanity.

Think of every issue and controversy that divides Oz and you will find the GetUp! crowd busy lobbying in favour of those on the WRONG side of the division and working towards making things even WORSE for Oz than it already is."

In short, you've all done your money when it comes to GetUp! ... but please get those complaints rolling in as I for one would love to see them investigated and shut down.

regarDS
PS: I guess that's my magic bullet used up ... I was going to save it for ILCF Implementation day, but oh well. :)

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24. A Fare Thee Well ?

DerSpatz is likely one of several people who have watched the debate, have strong feelings about content on the web and how it should be dealt with, and enjoy some of the heat that comes with taking a stance against a popular position.

This is almost trolling but not really, and it's important to make the distinction because otherwise the word troll becomes a cliché and starts to lose it's meaning.


Trolls usually enter conversations with the express purpose of posting inflammatory, off-topic or irrelavent messages. DerSpatz isn't really inflammatory (for the express sake of it), usually sticks somewhat on topic (just on an indefensible side of it) and generally speaking you can't accuse him of raising irrelavent points because despite his abject wrongness, he presumably does actually feel this way even if it raises questions about how far behind he is on his brain bills.


Cheers Geordie, but too little too late, and don't expect this last reply of mine in the ILCF forum thread to remain for very long before a certain somewhat over-zealous (to say the least) Mod at last gets to see the "perma-ban" it has so obviously been itching to see dropped upon me for for some time now.

You're wrong about most things when it comes to me (for example, I've been protecting family identities for decades, and I *have* had serious offline world harrasment in the past in response to things conveyed online, so who wouldn't want to shield family from such "internuts" – and why should family have to suffer or risk suffering such attentions because of a rep I choose for myself online ?) but hey, the topic is ILFC and not derspatz so moving right along ...

So, I thought I'd leave the ILCF and Broadband area with a message more acceptable to the anti-filter crew (even though it will soon to be blatted out of view in here anyway ... but just like with everything else I've ever posted in this forum, it will remain in the public record at http://derblatz.blogspot.com ) and I'll not use the word "internut" for the rest of this fare thee well.

Ok, the message. I'll start with a quote. It is from a 1999 speech delivered by someone I've supped, sipped, and socialised with (clang – sound of name being dropped) on various occasions over the last couple of decades, with the last occasion also shared with "richary" who has been a regular participant in this ILFC thread.

The speech could have been written for today which just goes to show how little has changed in the last 10 years since its writer delivered it at the Perth anti-censorship protest in May 28th, 1999.

You can find it here: http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/kh.html and it begins with:

"For some, the issue is free speech – not freedom to do illegal things, but the freedom to download and post to the Net anything that is legal in other media." – Kimberley Heitman, Chair, Electronic Frontiers Australia

Wow ... look how far we have come in 10 years. (rolls eyes)

Ok WarT, do your worst. I've fought the good fight against the unjust and underhanded and so But Of Course will will make the standard and necessary (if not typical) claim that my forced departure into the wilderness is from much higher moral ground than your own, and allow the next scape-goat to step up to face the fury and denials.

regarDS
PS: To the relative few of you who have ever received a whim from me, I deem such whims to be public domain and in no way private property.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

By the way, the term "those of us" insinuates that there is more than one person using the term, when I would be stunned to find out there were more than just yourself, and floored if I found out there were enough to overflow a Hyundai Excel.
Settle, petal.

(various links proving a wide and varied use of the term "internut" deleted just in case the content changes) ;)

Etc.

Time to pick yourself up and upgrade to a People Mover from that Hyundai ...

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

No doubt in the long run I won't care what pro-censorship people think of me because we'll have defeated the plan for another decade and can move onto other parts of the EFA agenda.

10 years is such a short time span in the scheme of things from my perspective, but do pass on a "Sparrow says hello" to The Heitman from me when next you confer ... then even more illumination is sure to follow.

In the meantime, I think we both know that the censorship of the web is destined to continue and increase – and for most of us it is never going to be a problem either.

But hey, whatever pays your salary, eh ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

The New York Times quotes me, you quote yourself.

Well, at least we can see by this how seriously you want to be taken and how important the opinions of your peers are to you, but no need for you to make this mistake that everyone else wants to be measured in such ways – or that it actually counts for all that much in the long run.

You also don't need to make the mistake that my use of the apt descriptor "internut" has much to do with the framework and technology. Obviously I'm virtually always making reference to what it has largely become in terms of it's users.

Still a bit of a LOL that you are asking me to censor myself so that you don't have to get offended yet at the same time you are objecting to those of us who are calling for the same sort of thing for the internut re: a "clean feed" and ILCF.

Perhaps the New York Times and those who think lofty thoughts about you might be able to bring enlightenment and illumination as to how most people see that kind of thinking ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

I've tried to explain to you before just how nauseatingly condescending your use of the neologism "internut" is" ... I'm going to just outright ask you to stop being so derisive and objectionable.

So let me get this straight. In a forum topic on the subject of "clean feed"ing the internut via an ILCF you want me to stop using a word that has been in my online and offline vocabulary from long before I even knew you existed let, alone the topic of ILCF ?

Kinda hypocritical of ya if not ironic, isn't it ?

If the truth behind the word "internut" is so offensive to you perhaps you should first question how seriously you are taking this ever evolving communications media, and how much in denial you are about how "nutty" so much of it is, and even how you yourself fit the description due to your lack of humour in relation to the obvious reality of this communications media. Then you should either build a bridge and get over it, or do what I get told in here to do on a regular basis – ie, switch off the TV, install a filter, or just don't go there.

The world and the internut is full of all sort of nuts (and sure, I don't care about being judged by the same filter) and I doubt if you are in any way exception, so perhaps the sooner you learn to recognise and laugh at that, the better it will be for all of us, hmmm ?

Here, perhaps this may help bring about that better understanding.

http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/11/internut-by-any-other-name.html

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

Big brother filter plan insults parents:
Underlying the Rudd Government's plan to screen the internet is an offensive message: that parents cannot be trusted to mind their children online.


Truth hurts, but better parents in denial be offended and the population delivered up a reasonable proximity of a "clean feed" (by ILCF or any other means proved necessary), AFAIC.

Oh, and speaking of truth hurting, here is a quote for ya ...

"There is nothing more offensive than the brutal truth delivered brutally to those who don't want to hear it ... except for willfully ignorant brutes who prefer and promote a lie."

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

I'm totally alarmist. I picked up a pair of tongs on the weekend that had been resting partially on the barbie plate, my alarmism was audiable for about a block

LOL. Future policy direction. Social event filter.


Evidence and example of carelessness and a lack of self control.

Justification for the implementation of measures not relient upon such short comings and slip-ups regardless of provocations and circumstantial stimuli, so that no one need suffer the unwelcome outcomes in such a way.

In other words, another reason why the world needs a "clean feed" when it comes to the internut and why it should at least begin with ILCF.

regarDS

Sunday, January 25, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

are you saying that stifling political dissent through the guise of protecting us from ourselves is pragmatic?

Sure, if you like, but in this particular case I was saying that my quoting of an article which you chose to claim was a breach of © was an example of pragmatism on my part.

IE, I really couldn't care if you thought it a breach of © or not, but even if it was, my view is that the ends justifies the means ... for after all, I'm just an (what was it ?) "annoying snot", eh ?

But seriously, don't expect me to get all fanatical about either protecting the internut in its current form OR seeing it turned into what it should be. It just isn't important enough to me to care all that much, especially when at the end of the day, it is FANATICISM which is the true enemy.

Such as the kind being birthed in various ILCF opponents in this very forum.

AFAIC, not only is "free speech" a BFW (cheers TISM) that certainly is not under the slightest bit of unjustified threat, but also the internut is far from being the be all and end all of such an over-rated and so misused animal.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

main requirements for a deductible gift recipient is that it must be based in Australia (with some limited exceptions).

Such as those which also have Oz based offices and/or approval by Oz ATO. My receipts indicate such approval.

I can help put you in touch with such charities if you are interested in helping our ally Israel out in such a way.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

Hypocrisy aside, calls by authoritarian regimes to curb vulgarity are often a smoke screen for the stifling of political dissent.

from derspatz' very own, copyright infringing post...

Isn't pragmatism wonderful ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

I put my money towards benefiting Israel over Oz anyway, and by doing so am helping benefit all of humanity in the long run.

cmon ppl .. he's no more than trolling for a laugh for his own amusment

I can assure you (blat) that every year I give many thousands of dollars to worthy Israel Based charities including for care packages for their army. I've been doing this on a monthly basis for years, and the Oz ATO even gives me a tax deducation for doing so.

It is no laughing matter, and the more of us who similarly start helping Israel in such financial ways, the sooner this whole mess ala the world the way it currently is, will be over and done with and we can then get on with the Real Life.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

( @ ) Lillary ( @ ) writes...
derspatz writes...I put my money towards benefiting Israel over Oz anyway, and by doing so am helping benefit all of humanity in the long run.

And that, folks, says it all doesn't it?

Etc. Awww, someone just needed a scapegoat to kick after all.

Hey, I'll be the joker to your batman ... you complete me, Lillary.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

From: http://www.newsweek.com/id/181312
24/01/09

SOQ
China kicked off the New Year with another crackdown on the Internet. A government-supported entity—the Internet Illegal Information Reporting Center, tasked with finding and fighting online content that violates the law—began by informing 19 popular Web sites, including Google and Baidu, China's two leading search engines, that they contain "vulgar content that violates social morality and damages the physical and mental health of youths." Only a few days later, they expanded their blacklist to 91 sites, including MSN and MySpace, demanding that they all take action to remove the offensive content. By last week more than 1,250 Web sites had been closed down and 41 people arrested. The crackdown singled out galleries of scantily clad women on tiexue.com and videos on vodone.com, as well as Google searches with links to anything that could be deemed racy. On the same day, People's Daily, an official outlet, posted paparazzi photos of the Chinese celebrity Zhang Ziyi in a bikini at the beach. The Web site of Xinhua News Agency has also run a slide show called "China's Hottest Babes."

Hypocrisy aside, calls by authoritarian regimes to curb vulgarity are often a smoke screen for the stifling of political dissent. Iran recently included several sites critical of the government on a blacklist of more than 100,000 pornographic sites, and a study by the OpenNet Initiative, a university consortium that tracks Internet filtering around the globe, found that Vietnam censors politically sensitive content along with obscenity. China's current crackdown is no exception. Bullog.cn, an edgy Chinese bloglike platform that often irked the Chinese authorities by reporting on controversial events like protests against new chemical plants, is one openly political victim of the current purges. Rebecca MacKinnon, an expert on the Chinese Internet at the University of Hong Kong, writes that "historically in China … the technology used to censor porn has ended up being used more vigorously to censor political content," and this appears to be the case again now. The thaw in anticipation of the Olympics, in which politically damaging sites like those of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch were allowed to publish unhindered, may now be nearing its end.

Beijing is expanding controls ahead of several inconvenient anniversaries. It's been 50 years since the Tibetan uprising, 20 years since the bloodshed of Tiananmen Square and 60 years since the founding of the People's Republic of China. An immediate cause of the crackdown might be the launch of Chapter 08, an appeal for democratic freedom by numerous Chinese intellectuals a few weeks ago, which engendered widespread and, so far, uncontrollable online discussions.

Indeed, Beijing's sudden toughness comes just as the Internet is becoming an effective tool for exposing possible government corruption. Squads of Internet vigilantes called "human-flesh search engines" use the Web to identify and terrorize leaders whom they believe have overstepped their authority or good judgment. When Zhou Jiugeng, a real-estate official from Nanjing, appeared in an official photograph wearing a Vacheron Constantin watch, which retails for $15,000, bloggers did some digging. They reportedly found that Zhou also drove a Cadillac to work and smoked Nanjing 95 Imperial cigarettes, which cost $20 a pack. This online attention and widespread calls for his resignation triggered an official investigation into Zhou's affairs in late December.

Earlier that month, Lin Jiaxiang, the Communist Party secretary of Shenzhen's Marine Affairs Bureau, was fired after being accused of assaulting a young girl at a restaurant. The Chinese Netizens tracked his identity, circulated a video of him and the girl and demanded an investigation. In another episode, two Chinese officials left receipts from a costly tour of North America on a subway in Shanghai, which wound up being published online, to general outrage. The officials were promptly fired.

The government's methods of identifying dissent have gotten more sophisticated in the past year. Rather than having to rely on search queries, censors have begun to employ private firms ("censorship entrepreneurs") to perform data-mining operations to identify dissent. The firms are then free to demand that Web sites remove the offensive content. TRS Information Technology, for instance, claims to be a leader in the fields of "information retrieval, content management and text mining." What this means in practice is that TRS provides various Chinese government agencies (mostly police authorities) with technology to monitor online discussions that may pose a threat to the regime. In a recent interview in the Financial Times, TRS's marketing director took special pride in having installed such systems at eight police stations in Shanghai, noting that now the work formerly done by 10 Internet police offers could be done by one. TRS, which was founded in 1993, now employs more than 200 people.
EOQ


Oh, and Lillary, you go 'girl' ... tis all "win-win" to me however you choose to deal with ILCF. I put my money towards benefiting Israel over Oz anyway, and by doing so am helping benefit all of humanity in the long run.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24

P.J.C...Belgium wants in on European web blocklist

The world has gone stark raving mad!.


No, it is just a case of the usually silent moral majority being wakened from their relative slumber and at last getting the pendulum to swing the other way.

For too long too many of us have sat back and allowed the immoral and evil doers who share our oxygen to get away with abusing freedom of choice by choosing to do what is bad and negative for/to our communities, culture, societies and civilisation.

For too long we've allowed wickedness to increase unchecked so that instead of being able to allow our children to play unfettered and free from sun-up to sun-down, we are now too scared to let them out of our sight for more than 30 seconds.

For too long we've had to make concessions that at any moment can expose any of us by pure accident to that which we would rather have lived an entire lifetime without witnessing.

For too long we've given chances and second chances and tried and hoped to reason the best way forward to bring about the best world possible, yet for too long we've been forced to accept virtually without complaint or recourse things that are basically intolerable as well as historically part of the ruin of any culture or civilisation.

Well folks, your greed and lack of control has done it to yourselves yet again for at last the tide is turning, the pendulum is reversing its swing and there is a ground swell movement to roll back the philosphies and practices of the depraved world you want to inflict upon us all to our inevitable judgement and destruction.

And not before time.

Yup, I'm busy putting my time and my money towards a bringing to an end of the kind of world you want, and guess what, according to the promises and prophecies (if you prefer) that continue to prove themselves accurate with every passing day, not only is my time and money being well spent, but also that new and better world is eventually going to be achieved ... and not only that, but the likes of ILCF will not be needed in that world because no one will even dream of creating or promoting the kinds of things that would justify it.

The world has not gone mad. It has just finally got angry enough about the way the world has gone for so long to at last start trying to do the right thing about it.

ILCF is obviously not the perfect solution ... but it is a start in the right direction until certain people start choosing to make righteousness and doing the right thing by their neighbour a priority again rather than the base selfishness that currently is their norm.

regarDS

Friday, January 23, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

Does anyone have the lowdown on the current state of the filtering trials? Not just the technical details but the politics...

Where is Conroy coming from?

Partly from here:


"Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australias have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.

The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition if rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.

The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that participating economies agree to 'Ensure a trusted Internet-based environment which offers protection to individuals, especially minors and other vulnerable groups'.

The existing ACMA blacklist is a list of internet web pages which are defined as 'prohibited' under Australian legislation. The list has been in place since 2000 and currently contains around 1300 URLs.

The ACMA blacklist is developed by complaints by the public about online content to the ACMA hotline. ACMA does not arbitrarily assess and classify content. Online content is assessed in accordance with the National Classification Scheme."

regarDS

Saturday, January 17, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23

> Communications are Commonwealth acts.

Fair enough, but isn't the definition of child porn different for each state? Or is there also a federal definition?


Nah, more like for each country – which is something else needing addressing in the long run.

To play it safe I propose that come the "New World Order" and "Global Community" being called for by everyone from Bush to Obama to Blair to Brown (etc, etc), the age of adulthood and sexual consent all over the globe should be bumped back up to 21 again (from where it was for much of the Western World in the 1950s and early 60s) which would no doubt render most existing pr0n as being CP with a stroke of a pen.

regarDS

Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22

"Who would have thought the government's proposed Internet filtering scheme would bring together so many disparate groups all united in their opposition to mandatory censorship?
"
http://www.techworld.com.au/article/273031/strange_bedfellows_sex_it_unite_stop_net_censorship

I for one would happily vote for a Government which would seek to outlaw/make illegal all "X" rated material in Oz as well as make an "X" rating a more likely classification to be handed out. Same vote for a Government which made any kind of "sex industry" in Oz more difficult for anyone to become involved in (or make money out of) and brought greater penalties and punishments upon the customers of prostitutes rather than the prostitutes themselves - ie, reduce the need for supply by making the demand too unattractive.

Heck, put it all off-shore and don't let those who go off-shore for it back into the country, AFAIC ... and I bet I'm far from being alone with that sentiment.

Interesting the kinds of groups that get listed in that article and fascinating that they should come out into the light of day when the chosen lifestyles and/or questionable livelihoods are confronted with the potential of a "CLEAN FEED" and "FILTERED INTERNET" and it says a lot about the kind of Oz they selfishly want to inflict upon us all.

Yet I bet most of them prefer to drink filtered and clean water when they aren't busy trying to turn Oz into a revist of the last days of Pompeii, etc.

Ah well, at very least the threat of ILCF has helped draw a new line in the sand and made it easier to determine on yet another level just where the morality of Oz currently is and where it is heading.

regarDS