Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

( @ ) Lillary ( @ ) writes...
(again, Derspatz excepted from that statement as he is an expert at playing with himself). *Oops, I suspect I'm about to have my post removed!

lol. solipsists r us ?

*I guess that makes you and me, both ... :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

Source?

And another source for you which details even better why the recent change to the Cleanfeed wiki amounts to vandalism.

See: http://sydwalker.info/blog/2008/12/08/having-fun-falsifying-history/

There are plenty of other examples out there if you care to look. Just put +lapin +curtailment +child +precious.

Now, who is going to undo the recent wiki vandalism in that regard ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

Source?

For starters, try: http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/lapin.htm where the Rabbi pretends to be Hitler and writes "Finally, dear Julius, you will remember what I frequently said and wrote in Mein Kampf: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people." I explained that as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. It is truly heartwarming to see how well this lesson has been learned by the American government. In the name of children, incursions into the private lives of American citizens have been made that we Nazis would have gazed at with open-mouthed admiration. Does it matter that our bodies failed as long as our spirit still triumphs?"

Now THAT is where the wiki quote has been lifted from, with only a tiny portion of it being Hitler's words from Mein Kamf.

Thus, the wiki quote should be attributed to Rabbi Daniel Lapin, yes ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

The quote is indeed from Mein Kampf which was dictated by Adolf Hitler. Rabbi Daniel Lapin is not whom stated this quote.

Just fixed that up on the wiki

by now making the wiki incorrect. Go back a page or two in this thread and you will see another user has provided a DIRECT LINK to "Mein Kamf" and what Hitler wrote re: "the Child" and it is NOT what you have now just misattributed on the wiki.

What is in the wiki is a quote from the Rabbi, nothing more and nothing less and if you want to put something there that Hitler actualy said, then I suggest you actually look up Hitler's book and properly quote it.

Here is the link the another user provided a moment ago.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=berhcMAjzZEC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=The+state+must+declare+the+child&source=bl&ots=KH_Nso_26V&sig=dds3AtPQXQAUCG2jBlovhEmhkbs&hl=en&ei=HOjFSf--HpSZkQX_wszDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA72,M1

Now compare that to what is on the wiki and to what the Rabbi wrote and tell the forum who rightfully should be attributed for what has been recorded verbatim on the wiki ... and then go undo your vandalism.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

.....mandatory reporting by ISPs to a central Government agency

Yeah right.

I think we can fairly describe your post as a troll.

Banks aren't alone in being required to follow "mandatory reporting" to a Government agency, so why not ISPs in the future ?

It's called "checks and balances" and helps make a system work better.

Anyway, AFAIC, always calling "Troll" at those who hold different opinions than your own, tends to merely demonstrate your own fears and narrowmindedness.

No doubt you've also herringed me rather than risk being exposed to contrary opinion, and would like to see me banned from these threads ? Don't worry, that sword of Damacles has been hanging over my neck for some time now (compliments of a whim months ago from mods/admin indicating I was only but one mod attention away from a permenant ban in the broadband area) and I'm surprised I'm still able to post here at all.

So rejoice and be glad that it was you who was that final drip responsible for the ocean to wash me out of here. :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt34

Ah good, it would seem that our Elected Government are getting ready to "move forward" with the desired and necessary implimentation of Web Filtering and Control, and the latest step in this plan being the obviously predictable and planned failure of "Tactical Move 1A" in relation to a Leakable Black List utilised as an aspect of ILCF (ISP Level Content Filtering).

History readily demonstrates that Western Democratic Governments tend to adopt a Hegelian approach when faced with trying to bring about outcomes that have an element of unpopularity with various vocal minorities.

That is to say, they know what they actually want to achieve so present a number of solutions knowing full well that the most objectionable will be rejected usually in favour of the least objectionable ... but that the outcomes achieved by even the least objectionable are at very least the minimum desired in the first place anyway.

So our Elected Government will now wring their hands and wail ""Oh me, oh my, our precious blacklist has been leaked - the ISPs aren't to be trusted, Big Business will fail in terms of Doing The Right Thing for the sake of our children and future, we need to legislate a Better Way", and then go on to present "Tactical Move 1B", etc, etc, until what they actually were willing to settle for (or better) is established.

Personally I reckon that our Elected Government is not only well aware of the shortcomings of ILCF as it currently is touted, but also has an array of alternative approaches armed and ready and that the method/solution that will eventually be implemented will be embraced by the opposition Government and the FF independant ... as well as most reasonable OZ citizens and parents for that matter.

Sure, it probably won't be the kind of solution I would like to see implemented, but I live in hope. It doesn't change the fact that I am firmly of the view that something desperately needs to be done to make the online world a better place. Not that the offline world is all that brilliant these days mind you ...

Anyway, my preference is that everyone and every company and business in OZ should be issued a permanent static IP and/or web-browsing personal ID that is tied in with a system of mandatory reporting by ISPs to a central Government agency (just like how banks have to report financial transaction over a certain amount ... which is quite a low amount BTW).

Obviously such reporting would involve WhiteList filtering for daily/mundane essentials ( (: ie, ebay, banking, whirlpool, google news :) ), but all else would go to be logged against your permanent record to be crunched/compared at whim and will as resources and need dictate rather than potentially contributing to a real-time page-hit response delay.

No More Secrets, let alone a secret list that will always end up leaked.

I see a number of advantages in this kind of system. The first being that internut speeds would probably improve due to folk aware of personal accountability being a little bit more careful as to how they used that resource. Another is that folk in here complaining about the lack of "due process" in terms of being filtered before they had the chance to "commit the crime" will at last get their wish of being able to be naughty , be tracked and charged, and get their day in court instead.

Obviously another is that anonymous online attacks, piracy, dissemination of pr0n and a whole bunch of other illegal and/or unsavoury/undesirable activities will take a serious hit at long last.

However, one of the best advantages I see in this kind of system involving mandatory reporting of anything that isn't on a whitelist, is that it would force parents to make damn sure they knew what their kids were getting up to on the McNet/Web and police their own households a bit better.

Isn't that what many of you have been saying needs to happen in the family home ?

Win/Win AFAIC.

Hmmmm, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if in part this kind of system IS one of the solutions our Elected Government has waiting in the wings to be announced now that the most objectionable solution has been outed (no doubt by design).

Either way, it has my vote. Could also be quite the money-spinner for someone clever enough to design it ... that is, if it hasn't already been designed and ready to be put into practice not only here in OZ, but also in the USofA and in the EU, etc.

If so, the Russian Mafia are really not going to like it. :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

"We have no children in our household so why do we need a clean feed?"

For the same reason fluroide is added to your water. IE, coz on so many levels it is good for the long term welfare of both you, your local community, society and nation.

The ANZACS didn't go and sacrifice their lives and limbs for us so that lawlessness could abound; they did it so goodness and decency could be preserved. Yet the current cesspool which is the Internut is how we repay their nobility and selflessness.

So, by comparison, what are you prepared to sacrifice so that goodness and decency can be restored and preserved ?

Oh I commend you for your choice of not having children (tis virtually planned future child abuse to choose to spawn these days anyway), and for sure, my fellow supporters of the philosophies promoted at http://www.vhemt.org will be overjoyed, but what are you prepared to do in terms of "going the extra mile" for the good of humankind and the planet ?

Surely a little Internut filtering wouldn't be too much to ask, especially if it helps promote a revival of more admirable human behaviours and a turning away from that which merely serves to enslave and degrade us, hmmm ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt16

Firstly, those who've been busy putting money on "derspatz" being anyone else in here other than "derspatz" and for a brief moment "derspatz13" early on in the piece (before requesting that ID be deleted as I'd finally remembered my password to my former account created years ago) please donate your losses to the "Royal Flying Doctor Service" ... where it might actually do some Real World Good rather than sponsor the evil lefty agendas of "GetUp!". I'm too narcissistic to hide behind aliases ;)

Anyway, too slow and quiet by half in here ATM, so here is something to cheer the regulars up.

Quotes from "Prune", the 2008 "ISP Level Content Filtering" initiative directed by Senator Conroy, based on the novel Dune by Frank Herbert.

Cast:
Princess Irulan: Bernadete McMenamin
Paul Atreides/Muad'Dib/Usul: Senator Conroy
Chani: Senator Conroy's wife.
Duke Atreides: KRudd.
Alia Atreides: Hetty Johnston
Gurney & Stilgar: Loyal Conroy and/or ILCF Supporters
Guildsmen: ISP Representatives speaking for themselves, and Whirlpool Mods.
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: Org'asmo
Bene Gesseret Reverend Mother: derspatz in drag after a very bad haircut.

"The beginning is a very delicate time. Know then that it is the year 2008. The Known World Wide Web is ruled by the Protocul TCP IPvIV. In this time, the most precious substance in the WWW is the packet data "pr0n". The pr0n corrupts life, the pr0n perverts consciousness, the pr0n is vital to the profits of Internut Service Providers. The Internutting Guild and its representatives and high-bandwidth customers, who the pr0n has mutated over 20 years, use the fleshy coloured pr0n pixels, which gives them the ability to bond across space. That is, to virtually fornicate with anyone else on the web without actually moving. Oh, yes. I forgot to tell you. The pr0n exists in packets throughout the entire web, a dangerous child unfriendly desert with vast potential to bring harm to one and all. Hidden away within the addresses of this desert are a people known as the Freemen, who have long held a prophecy that a man would come, a messiah who would lead them to true freedom. The task is called "ILCF", also known as "Prune" - Princess Irulan

"It is by will alone I set my hand in motion. It is by the packets of "unwanted" that hands acquire speed, my pants acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my hand in motion." - The Late Night Solitary User Mantra, (played by The Plugged In, all over Oz)

"Some URLs have a certain smell ..." - Paul Atreides

"FIIIILLL-TAAR!" - Shouted by supporters of ILCF in attack mode.

"Send a third stage GetUp! Advertiser to google to demand details from the Governet. The pr0n must flow..." - a pr0n warped/changed member of the Internutting Guild, from a special report within the Guild, speaking on his own behalf.

"The Bene Gesserit witch must leave." - a Guildsman says that the Truthsayer has to leave the forum.

"when the storm hits... set off the atomics. I want an opening through the entire Shield Wall. Stilgar, do we have wormsign? Stilgar: Usul, we have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen." (Storm = "Holiday Season when no one is around, Atomics = ILCF, Wormsign = "pr0n to be pruned by ILCF")

"You suggest the son of the Duke is an animal?
Let us say I suggest you may be human." - from a conversation between Paul and the Reverend Mother.

"We Freemen have a saying: God created Prune to train the faithful. One cannot go against the word of God." - Muad'Dib.

"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney

"Father... father, the sleeper has awakened!" - Senator Conroy commenting to KRudd how GetUp! have chosen to attached themselves to this latest publicity related fad-concern so that they can fleece the naive of funds so that their more extreme left-wing goals can be further supported and promoted. As described at:
http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-up-stand-up-getup-for-your-lefts.html

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." - Senator Conroy during Parliment Question Time.

"talk without rhythm and you won't attract the worm." - Senator Conroy during Parliment Question Time.

"Tell me of your homeworld, Usul." - Chani, wondering what she has married :)

"We foresee a slight problem. The Duke's son. We want him killed. I did not say this. I am not here." - Guildsman speaking for himself.

"I'll miss the 747s, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." - KRudd commenting to Conroy what it may be like to be a single term government (we can all only hope so. And there you have another aspect of derspatz pragmatism. Heh.)

"I will have Prune back for myself! He who controls the pr0n controls the Web ..." - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen

"The pr0n must flow." - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen

"Long live the filters !" - Muad'Dib/Conroy

"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." - Muad'Dib/Conroy, speaking of the internut.

"And how can this be? For he is the ersatz spatzattack!" - Alia Atreides talking of Paul.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11

Maybe if you actually answered some of the arguments and replies put to your incredibly repetitive statements you would have a better reception.

Ah, so it is okay for you to stick to your opinions but not me mine ?

Which reply to what do you think I've been lacking in offering a return to, anyway ?

Hmmm, ok, I'm being a bit reactive here so let's wind things back a bit. What do you have in mind that you feel I haven't offered a reasonable response to ?

Maybe if you stopped using those highly annoying cute words you so cleverly made up you be able to get your point across with more success.

How do you like "ILCF" ... or am I taking credit there where it isn't due, in which case I'll not only offer a loud apology but also herald credit where it is due.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11

(quick eduction:

??? Do you mean "education"? :)

Cheers [deleted]. See how we can all help each other out regardless of difference of opinion ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11

derspatz writes...Incorrect, it was Hewson (Liberal) in his "fightback" campaign in 1991 that sowed those seeds which Keating resisted.

You are incorrect. The idea of a consumption tax (now called the GST) was first proposed as part of the Bob Hawke Labor Government's Tax Summit in 1983. It was proposed by Paul Keating.

I stand corrected if we are to take this back to a name other than GST (which is what originally was being talked about).

Yes, Keating proposed a consumption tax, then many years later Hewson put together a package that involved a GST which Keating appeared to reverse his earlier idea about in order to see the defeat of Hewson in the election.

Everyone happy with that ? :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11

Weren't you sin binned for your trolling a couple of threads ago and asked not to participate in these threads?

Yes I was binned for two days but no to everything else.

You want a world consisting only of people who agree with you in everything ?

Count me out of that kind of world.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

You guys can never accept that restrictions on certain messages in certain venues is not the same thing as censorship, can you?

No, because even by degrees, it is still censorship and necessarily so. The quibble here is merely when it becomes (and oh how this word make me laugh) "offensive".

Tis so much easier to determine via the measure of Objective as opposed to subjective, too – with the added bonus of the cross over point being quite fixed with the former and quite meaningless with the latter.

When the Government steps in and says there is no venue appropriate for your message, that's censorship.

No, that is just a particular level of censorship that you may or may not support according to personal preference probably decided/influenced by subjectivity.

Just like when WP mods step in and say these forums are not an appropriate vehicle for one's message, or your workplace steps in and says their network isn't appropriate vehicle for your message.

Once a community decide that something is not appropriate for the well being and progess of said community, censorship is a necessary and justifiable follow on from that decision, and there is nothing evil or unreasonably oppressive about implementing such needful censorship once that decision has been made – unless that which is being shutdown is actually the way of righteousness that is ... but then we are back to Subjective Morality vs Objective Morality again, hmmm ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I for one will not be censored.

Oh ? Trying leaving that kind of comment at my blog !

If you honestly look at things, you are already being censored in many many ways and many of those ways you implicitly agree with and actively support.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

seems like he is only concerned for his own needs...not the wider community

Read back through the whole 8 threads and you will soon see that I've been trying to promote the taking of the current version of McWeb/McNet/internut beyond the control of any government or special interest group for all time ... whilst also supporting the reasonable and required and necessary attempts of our elected government to try and control the online world in similar fashion to the offline world while they still can.

I think you'll find that I am quite the pragmatist ... as well as Realist.

Oh, and Deconstructionist.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Clinton tried to censor the Internet,

Clinton the democrat who endorsed the Obama nation ?

When Obama finishes nominating left-leaning justices to the bench, how would you rate the probability of any future administration having any more luck than Clinton had?

Considerable, especially considering the kind of world the left leaning want to build and the kind of power they long to wield.

I'm kinda enjoying the deMarkation that is being established at long last, along with seeing who is on which side of it.

At last, more a case of "black and white" instead of nebulous shades of grey.

I'm on the team which comes out as ultimate winner regardless of what I might suffer along the way, BTW. :)

Obama WILL censor that which he does not want regardless of constitution. In fact, he'll use constitution in order to justify censor.

You won't mind though, coz the kinds of things he'll be seeking to suppress will be that which you rather didn't exist too.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

When was the last time you saw someone under the age of 30 terrified about the Internet?

Straw. No one is terrified and the governments are merely using a certain aspect of it as a means to an ends that suits only what the wise and sensible of us know only too well.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I don't have access to this "internut", but as luck would have it, I can get Google News on my internet though, so can you point me to the page where you read it?

The reaction you show to a word I cooked up and began using long before coming to these forums only helps show how seriously/less than healthily you take this communicative medium. The internut is a tool and a means to an ends, not something to be worshipped, for crying out loud !

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

derspatz writes...And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

lol, oh bloody hell, your just as bad as [deleted].

Aside from watching the American who addressed the Press Club about the future of the internet, as shown on ABC TV this week, I've actually spent time in the USofA.

The aforementioned American asserted that when it comes to the USofA, they would rather lose their cell phone access, then their internet, then their TV, whereas here in Oz, we would rather lose our TV, then our internet, then our mobile phone access.

I was particularly amazed at this proven/polled/researched opinion because having spent time in the USofA, I have seen their TV.

It is the most (happily I might add) censored medium you could hope to see in comparison to what we get here in Oz. In fact, shows they make there that they sell to us here, look/sound quite differently to the product we get to see here. Yup, we get the UNCENSORED versions in many cases !

So, with that in mind, in a country that cares more about its TV (and TV which they are already quite happy/used to being censored to pieces) than internet, do you think Obama is going to have much trouble establishing filtering systems that suit his aims, hmmm ?

Get Real.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Another core Obama policy is to protect children online "while protecting the First Amendment" through delivery of tools and information to help parents control what their children see.

And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

Astounding !

regarDS