And since 'spatz hasn't bothered responding to the question, I'll ask it again...
Uh, if I didn't respond to it before because of its trolling and hijacking nature (which was appropriately dealt with by WP moderation) then there is little point in you asking it again, one would think.
If you are so interested in taking the discussion into areas that are beyond the generally approved and typical tolerance levels of most users and moderators at WP, then perhaps you should find a suitable alt group or something to sound off in on the side.
A fair suggestion, yes ?
regarDS
Thursday, November 20, 2008
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
Did it ever occur to you that the real problem for a growing number of families has more to do with state Labor governments eroding parents (and schools) rights to appropriately discipline kids.
Add the foundationless subjective morality of atheism and darwinism to your mix and you'll get no disagreement from me.
As for my more literal politics, a quick trip to: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/search/label/Election (especially the last blog entry of the four) will show you exactly who I voted for in the last Federal Election and give you a fair clue as to why.
Hint. I didn't (nor have ever) voted Labor [1], nor ever likely to. That being said, apparently a majority of Oz wanted Krudd and Co over all others, so as an Oz tax-paying citizen I am obliged, until the next election, to support to a reasonable degree Who The People wanted to tell them what to do for the next year or two.
Please don't confuse my support of our current Government's aim to try and tackle, by using ILCF, certain illegalities (etc) on the internut, as being some sort of approval of typical Labor politics or wish to retain that particular party in power for more than one moment than can be avoided.
Just like compulsory unionism, I've always seen the Labor party as being a boil on the back-side of progress and I am yet to see good reason to change my mind on that short of being worked over by the kinds of lazy bullying thugs who love compulsory unionism and/or the Labor party.
Are we clear now on my politics ? Anyway, once again, aren't we drifting somewhat from the subject of ILCF and the need for it ?
regarDS
Add the foundationless subjective morality of atheism and darwinism to your mix and you'll get no disagreement from me.
As for my more literal politics, a quick trip to: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/search/label/Election (especially the last blog entry of the four) will show you exactly who I voted for in the last Federal Election and give you a fair clue as to why.
Hint. I didn't (nor have ever) voted Labor [1], nor ever likely to. That being said, apparently a majority of Oz wanted Krudd and Co over all others, so as an Oz tax-paying citizen I am obliged, until the next election, to support to a reasonable degree Who The People wanted to tell them what to do for the next year or two.
Please don't confuse my support of our current Government's aim to try and tackle, by using ILCF, certain illegalities (etc) on the internut, as being some sort of approval of typical Labor politics or wish to retain that particular party in power for more than one moment than can be avoided.
Just like compulsory unionism, I've always seen the Labor party as being a boil on the back-side of progress and I am yet to see good reason to change my mind on that short of being worked over by the kinds of lazy bullying thugs who love compulsory unionism and/or the Labor party.
Are we clear now on my politics ? Anyway, once again, aren't we drifting somewhat from the subject of ILCF and the need for it ?
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
How about we neuter everyone and ban children. That would fix all of these problems in an efficient and quick manner.
Heh. I'm inclined to agree. Deem http://www.vhemt.org included ...
regarDS
Heh. I'm inclined to agree. Deem http://www.vhemt.org included ...
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
Many years ago when I was a kid, I cracked my father's bios password used to keep me from gaining beyond "post boot" :)
So it is pretty safe to say that there will always be kids who will be rebellious and disobedient and disrespectful of their parent's wishes and guidance, regardless of how hard their parent's work to keep them on the straight and narrow.
All the more reason to add yet more layers of inconvenience in the hope to at very least slow these kinds of children down and offer yet another way of policing and guiding them for the sake of us all.
regarDS
So it is pretty safe to say that there will always be kids who will be rebellious and disobedient and disrespectful of their parent's wishes and guidance, regardless of how hard their parent's work to keep them on the straight and narrow.
All the more reason to add yet more layers of inconvenience in the hope to at very least slow these kinds of children down and offer yet another way of policing and guiding them for the sake of us all.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
I'd just like to put a few questions out to supporters of the filter (yeah i'm looking at you derspatz).
See anything you like ? :)
- When the goal is supposedly "protecting the children" why is it that the silver bullet is to create a fantastically magic list of webpages to block. How many cases of 'grooming' have you heard of that take place on non-chat based webpages?
Bound to be addressed with ILCF 2.0b, don't you think ?
Websites discussing or giving advice for Social issues – Should support be given to the notion that certain 'social issues' such as websites designed to educate the young about homosexuality, abortion websites that give advice to teenagers or as one senator is pushing for, a block on websites that promote gambling.
Uh, what is the question here ? Happy to try and answer if you could try and clarify exactly what it is your are intending to ask here.
Supervision at home – Is it not the responsibility of the parent to monitor and control the usage of their child's internet? Does education not start in the home?
Yup ... but even just watching "Today Tonight" demonstrated that there is a growing number of families out there whose parents are failing their children and the positive future of Oz in every way.
Should the government intervene at other levels of potential exposure to "unwanted" material in the home?
Tis standard of those who want Left Wing Governments, to want more Government involvement in everyone's lives, and standard of those who want Right Wing Governments, to want minimal Government involvement in everyone's lives. We generally get what the majority vote for ... and guess what was more voted for this time around ?
If they're not capable of monitoring their child's internet usage how are they to monitor anything else they do around the home?
So you are arguing FOR Government Intervention now ?
False positives – In the case of false positives how would they be taken off and how quickly could they be taken off? What would the government do in the case where a website unintentionally put on the list lost business, Would they be compensated for loss of business? Or would it be "too bad too sad".
Details, details. When I was in the USofA in 2003 and trying to make light of "The Patriot Act", one thing that was made clear to me is that "we all need to do our part", even if it brings personal inconvenience.
What makes you so special or your business so special that you should be excused from something we all should be sharing the burden of/for ?
regarDS
See anything you like ? :)
- When the goal is supposedly "protecting the children" why is it that the silver bullet is to create a fantastically magic list of webpages to block. How many cases of 'grooming' have you heard of that take place on non-chat based webpages?
Bound to be addressed with ILCF 2.0b, don't you think ?
Websites discussing or giving advice for Social issues – Should support be given to the notion that certain 'social issues' such as websites designed to educate the young about homosexuality, abortion websites that give advice to teenagers or as one senator is pushing for, a block on websites that promote gambling.
Uh, what is the question here ? Happy to try and answer if you could try and clarify exactly what it is your are intending to ask here.
Supervision at home – Is it not the responsibility of the parent to monitor and control the usage of their child's internet? Does education not start in the home?
Yup ... but even just watching "Today Tonight" demonstrated that there is a growing number of families out there whose parents are failing their children and the positive future of Oz in every way.
Should the government intervene at other levels of potential exposure to "unwanted" material in the home?
Tis standard of those who want Left Wing Governments, to want more Government involvement in everyone's lives, and standard of those who want Right Wing Governments, to want minimal Government involvement in everyone's lives. We generally get what the majority vote for ... and guess what was more voted for this time around ?
If they're not capable of monitoring their child's internet usage how are they to monitor anything else they do around the home?
So you are arguing FOR Government Intervention now ?
False positives – In the case of false positives how would they be taken off and how quickly could they be taken off? What would the government do in the case where a website unintentionally put on the list lost business, Would they be compensated for loss of business? Or would it be "too bad too sad".
Details, details. When I was in the USofA in 2003 and trying to make light of "The Patriot Act", one thing that was made clear to me is that "we all need to do our part", even if it brings personal inconvenience.
What makes you so special or your business so special that you should be excused from something we all should be sharing the burden of/for ?
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
The "good men"? Where are they?
[edit] removed veiled ad hominem
Maybe you can stop child abuse at Aboriginal communities up north? Now there is a worthy cause for you.
Actually, I regularly (as in "on a monthly basis") put my own money behind all sorts of charitable causes, and nearly all of which are of some benefit one way or another to our indigenous brethren. How about you ?
Anyway, wasn't it just the other year that it was deemed necessary to stage an "intervention" for our remote brothers and sisters in relation to communities being destroyed by nearly a lawless society created out of too ready access to illcohol and pr0n ?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander don't you think ? If we're going to deny our remote brothers and sisters what has proven to be disasterously bad for them, then shouldn't we also be willing to make similar sorts of sacrifices etc in order to save ourselves ?
regarDS
[edit] removed veiled ad hominem
Maybe you can stop child abuse at Aboriginal communities up north? Now there is a worthy cause for you.
Actually, I regularly (as in "on a monthly basis") put my own money behind all sorts of charitable causes, and nearly all of which are of some benefit one way or another to our indigenous brethren. How about you ?
Anyway, wasn't it just the other year that it was deemed necessary to stage an "intervention" for our remote brothers and sisters in relation to communities being destroyed by nearly a lawless society created out of too ready access to illcohol and pr0n ?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander don't you think ? If we're going to deny our remote brothers and sisters what has proven to be disasterously bad for them, then shouldn't we also be willing to make similar sorts of sacrifices etc in order to save ourselves ?
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
I just found a site that should be put onto the blacklist: http://derspatz.blogspot.com
What I found on this site is very disturbing.
Then stay away from http://derspatz.webng.com then ... particularly http://derspatz.webng.com/feelings.htm :)
regarDS
What I found on this site is very disturbing.
Then stay away from http://derspatz.webng.com then ... particularly http://derspatz.webng.com/feelings.htm :)
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
regarDS
Figures that you wouldn't bother addressing /forum-replies.cfm?t=1089849&p=25#r497
I actually herring it earlier today for its blatant attempts to troll/hijack/take the thread off topic.
As I suggested in my earlier message to that, trying to distract things by throwing up "religious this" and "religious that" and similar such "us and them" thinking, isn't going to be serving the subject very well at all.
So how about you quit trying to take us all down that path, [deleted] ?
regarDS
Figures that you wouldn't bother addressing /forum-replies.cfm?t=1089849&p=25#r497
I actually herring it earlier today for its blatant attempts to troll/hijack/take the thread off topic.
As I suggested in my earlier message to that, trying to distract things by throwing up "religious this" and "religious that" and similar such "us and them" thinking, isn't going to be serving the subject very well at all.
So how about you quit trying to take us all down that path, [deleted] ?
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
derspatz writes...About time those kinds of the holes in The Net got sewn up.
What?
All 65536 of them?
Who knows just how the ISPs will sew them up when legally required to do so, but I'm sure there is an ISP type employee or two in these forums who can tell you a way or two as to how it could be done if the ISPs really had to do it or face being closed down or fined to pieces.
regarDS
What?
All 65536 of them?
Who knows just how the ISPs will sew them up when legally required to do so, but I'm sure there is an ISP type employee or two in these forums who can tell you a way or two as to how it could be done if the ISPs really had to do it or face being closed down or fined to pieces.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
Is it coincidence that IINet, who have been very outspoken about Internet Censorship, is being sued by the film companies?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/film-pirates-put-iinet-in-the-dock/2008/11/20/1226770617457.html
Not so much coincidence as long over due action.
About time those kinds of the holes in The Net got sewn up. Maybe more/better prevention of the illegal obtaining of legal information might take some of the load off and speed it all up for us all, too.
regarDS
http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/film-pirates-put-iinet-in-the-dock/2008/11/20/1226770617457.html
Not so much coincidence as long over due action.
About time those kinds of the holes in The Net got sewn up. Maybe more/better prevention of the illegal obtaining of legal information might take some of the load off and speed it all up for us all, too.
regarDS
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