Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

derspatz writes...And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

lol, oh bloody hell, your just as bad as [deleted].

Aside from watching the American who addressed the Press Club about the future of the internet, as shown on ABC TV this week, I've actually spent time in the USofA.

The aforementioned American asserted that when it comes to the USofA, they would rather lose their cell phone access, then their internet, then their TV, whereas here in Oz, we would rather lose our TV, then our internet, then our mobile phone access.

I was particularly amazed at this proven/polled/researched opinion because having spent time in the USofA, I have seen their TV.

It is the most (happily I might add) censored medium you could hope to see in comparison to what we get here in Oz. In fact, shows they make there that they sell to us here, look/sound quite differently to the product we get to see here. Yup, we get the UNCENSORED versions in many cases !

So, with that in mind, in a country that cares more about its TV (and TV which they are already quite happy/used to being censored to pieces) than internet, do you think Obama is going to have much trouble establishing filtering systems that suit his aims, hmmm ?

Get Real.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Another core Obama policy is to protect children online "while protecting the First Amendment" through delivery of tools and information to help parents control what their children see.

And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

Astounding !

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

derspatz writes...

Where did you hear that?

He won't last long if he tries that.derspatz writes...Even Obama wants to do it to the USofA.

Where did you hear that?

Ironically enough, the internut. :)

Compliments to links via Google News.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I think wholesale ADSL and ADSL2+ ports are a) only available when purchased in bulk, and b) still need a backbone provider and other network links and hardware in order to actually get access to the internet.

So form a co-op with other like minded in here.

ISP-level filtering is a bad idea, and a problem. Scrap the flawed idea, and the problem goes away.

It isn't ever going to go away. It's going to keep coming back over and over again until it is in, and not only in Oz, but a whole load of other countries as well.

Even Obama wants to do it to the USofA.

So like I said, time folk started thinking outside the filter.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

$125 million over 400 ISP's is not going to go very far.

... and in a few month's time I reckon we could end up turning 400 ISPs into 4000 or even 10x that.

If the filtering has to go in at ISP level, then it only stands to reason that the ISP has opportunity to have an UNcleanfeed before cleanfeed.

So, like I suggested not too long ago, merely get yourself an ABN and a business name and then buy your ADSL internut feed at wholsesale prices as an ISP intending to supply other users for profit.

Just because you might not actually end up signing up any customers at whatever unreasonable price you might choose to advertise on a business web page won't mean that you aren't in the business, and in the meantime you can browse to your hearts content on the unfiltered side of the feed.

Win win for those interested, as you not only get your feed at wholesale prices, but you get to claim everything from your phone line to equipment to your "office", etc, etc, etc, as a tax deduction.

Time to think outside the filter, don't you reckon ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

it's not going to achieve a single thing in hell except feed Conroy's ego.

What sort of firewalling is used there I wonder. :)

BTW, I've been reading more on the topic of filtering from the USofA "obama is not our saviour, he's just a naughty boy" POV and have discovered that a lot of folk (particularly the kinds of xtoids who did NOT help vote him in) are of the view that once the prez elect gets sworn in, he'll be pushing for mandatory filtering to not only stem the flow of all the usual suspects (pr0n et al), but also the kind of web pages published by their kind of xtianity as opposed to the liberal kind that helped get him where he is.

Sure, he's said that he wants a method of filtering used that does not do violence to the constitution etc ... but how close to the cliff-edge do think that might be ?

Nothing is more scary than a socialistic minded left-wing type when they are given power, and I wouldn't be too surprised that if a year or so down the track, Oz, the EU and the USofA actually do some collaboration into common filtering and common laws in relation to it.

I don't think it is unreasonable to think that, regardless of how much a "Obama nation of desolation" (say 3 times quickly and then wonder where you might have heard that before) some might think it to be.

I also think the Governments of the EU (et al) will be looking on with great interest to how the Oz government gets this up – we make an interesting test bed considering the extremes of distance in our land vs the actual number of folk we have living here.

In short, I don't think this ISP Level Content Filtering thing is just about the future of the internut here in Oz, but rather ALL governments would love to find/have a way to better control it.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Look, no local member can be across every issue the Government is looking at, so the party distributes a standard pack of talking points that can be cut-and-pasted to answer voter enquiries.

So the repeat letter writers in here should expect longer and longer delays between replies for every reply to a reply they send due to the need for the Government recipient actually having to go beyond the cut and past of a standard distribution.

I'm finding the process fascinating to observe even though I'm not actually expecting it to achieve much (if anything) of a difference.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I sent a letter to Greg Combet (Member for Charlton) and I got exactly the same answer, word for word, except it was signed by Annie Freer.

Now that IS interesting ! Looks like "they" are getting somewhat organised in offering a unified face to this. I wonder if they've hired someone to help them with it.

Next we'll have a bit of viral marketing in all the forums and popular online gathering spots with all sorts of users saying "I think this is a good idea"

Hmmm, I wonder how I can get on the payroll for that. :)

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I was wondering if there's any chance Internode could send a mass email out to its customers informing them of the proposed filter and what it might mean to them

Why don't you contact them through their website and ask them ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Well

Here it is.....

DearXXXXX

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding the Government’s clean feed internet filtering system.

Cheers [deleted]. Now added to my blog for increased exposure.

regarDS