There seems to be more sex o TV and over the telephone.
Is someone going to put in place a mandatory filter for these ?
As a shift worker regularly confronted with having to change the TV channel to ABC thanks to all the degrading, insulting, and bile inducing "FLIRT" and "Girls gone wild" etc etc etc ads that come on after midnight on the commercial channels, I for one certainly hope so.
OTOH, at least channel surfing in Oz isn't as dangerous as it is in France ...
At least the inevitable death of newsprint is going to bring a relative end to the death of trees used to provide "personals"/prostitution pages.
Google News is my only "newspaper" these days, and the sooner the majority of us similarly make that change, the better AFAIC.
In a "clean feed" ILCF treated internut, that is ...
regarDS
Saturday, January 24, 2009
Friday, January 23, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23 to mod WarT
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1123716&r=17830112#r17830112
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Interesting. So it is now deemed "off topic" to directly quote (and ONLY directly quote) a previously posted letter from Senator Conroy regarding ILCF in an area dedicated to talking about ILCF in direct response to someone asking for an update about that very topic re: politics of what is going on ?
regarDS
(The above whim is in response to WarT's blatting of the previously listed blog entry reproduction of a post to whirlpool. Me thinks WarT doesn't like me much and is looking for any excuse to put my blat count up so that I can be sent on another holiday from the forum ...
What do you think ?
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Interesting. So it is now deemed "off topic" to directly quote (and ONLY directly quote) a previously posted letter from Senator Conroy regarding ILCF in an area dedicated to talking about ILCF in direct response to someone asking for an update about that very topic re: politics of what is going on ?
regarDS
(The above whim is in response to WarT's blatting of the previously listed blog entry reproduction of a post to whirlpool. Me thinks WarT doesn't like me much and is looking for any excuse to put my blat count up so that I can be sent on another holiday from the forum ...
What do you think ?
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23
Does anyone have the lowdown on the current state of the filtering trials? Not just the technical details but the politics...
Where is Conroy coming from?
Partly from here:
"Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australias have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.
The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition if rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.
The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that participating economies agree to 'Ensure a trusted Internet-based environment which offers protection to individuals, especially minors and other vulnerable groups'.
The existing ACMA blacklist is a list of internet web pages which are defined as 'prohibited' under Australian legislation. The list has been in place since 2000 and currently contains around 1300 URLs.
The ACMA blacklist is developed by complaints by the public about online content to the ACMA hotline. ACMA does not arbitrarily assess and classify content. Online content is assessed in accordance with the National Classification Scheme."
regarDS
Where is Conroy coming from?
Partly from here:
"Freedom of speech is fundamentally important in a democratic society. For many years however, most Australias have accepted that there is some material which is not acceptable, particularly for children.
The genesis of this is in civil society where social conflict is governed by the imposition if rules that restrain citizens from harming one another and society as a whole accepts that the public interest requires that those rules are enforced.
The Seoul Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy states that participating economies agree to 'Ensure a trusted Internet-based environment which offers protection to individuals, especially minors and other vulnerable groups'.
The existing ACMA blacklist is a list of internet web pages which are defined as 'prohibited' under Australian legislation. The list has been in place since 2000 and currently contains around 1300 URLs.
The ACMA blacklist is developed by complaints by the public about online content to the ACMA hotline. ACMA does not arbitrarily assess and classify content. Online content is assessed in accordance with the National Classification Scheme."
regarDS
Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23
those offended can block their ears / turn off the radio/tv/pc and find something else to entertain them.
... and we should just hold our breath whenever we encounter smokers, too ? (rolls eyes).
The reality is we should not have to be confronted with the deplorable and immoral in the first place.
regarDS
... and we should just hold our breath whenever we encounter smokers, too ? (rolls eyes).
The reality is we should not have to be confronted with the deplorable and immoral in the first place.
regarDS
Saturday, January 17, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23
> Communications are Commonwealth acts.
Fair enough, but isn't the definition of child porn different for each state? Or is there also a federal definition?
Nah, more like for each country – which is something else needing addressing in the long run.
To play it safe I propose that come the "New World Order" and "Global Community" being called for by everyone from Bush to Obama to Blair to Brown (etc, etc), the age of adulthood and sexual consent all over the globe should be bumped back up to 21 again (from where it was for much of the Western World in the 1950s and early 60s) which would no doubt render most existing pr0n as being CP with a stroke of a pen.
regarDS
Fair enough, but isn't the definition of child porn different for each state? Or is there also a federal definition?
Nah, more like for each country – which is something else needing addressing in the long run.
To play it safe I propose that come the "New World Order" and "Global Community" being called for by everyone from Bush to Obama to Blair to Brown (etc, etc), the age of adulthood and sexual consent all over the globe should be bumped back up to 21 again (from where it was for much of the Western World in the 1950s and early 60s) which would no doubt render most existing pr0n as being CP with a stroke of a pen.
regarDS
Thursday, January 15, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23
"You wish to restrict the very thing that is vastly improving our society for the better?"
Not in the slightest - it is the very thing I've been consistently arguing for because after all, for a successful and functioning society to remain that way requires continually RESTRICTING in various ways that which is detrimental to it.
Permitting "anything goes" does not a successful society make, so in order to improve our society for the better it only stands to reason that restrictions and regulations continue to be brought to bear upon virtually everything our society uses, which obviously must include our communication systems which are obviously currently able to be grossly mis-used ... and to the obvious detriment of us all at that when one considers the ancient observation and promise that "righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people", and all that.
In short, I'm all for making Oz a more righteous nation and society and for attempts to be made to prevent the spread and flow of that which poisons and corrupts our society (and clearly ILCF is one such attempt), but I'm also all for that which might also see Krudd's government ousted after but a single term ... I'll accept either as A Win but would prefer to have both. :)
I fail to see how the banning and/or prevention of sharing by our communication systems every kind of pr0n and unauthorised (c) content could be anything other than BENEFICIAL to our nation and society, let alone do anything other than IMPROVE the general speed and family friendliness of The Net.
regarDS
Not in the slightest - it is the very thing I've been consistently arguing for because after all, for a successful and functioning society to remain that way requires continually RESTRICTING in various ways that which is detrimental to it.
Permitting "anything goes" does not a successful society make, so in order to improve our society for the better it only stands to reason that restrictions and regulations continue to be brought to bear upon virtually everything our society uses, which obviously must include our communication systems which are obviously currently able to be grossly mis-used ... and to the obvious detriment of us all at that when one considers the ancient observation and promise that "righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people", and all that.
In short, I'm all for making Oz a more righteous nation and society and for attempts to be made to prevent the spread and flow of that which poisons and corrupts our society (and clearly ILCF is one such attempt), but I'm also all for that which might also see Krudd's government ousted after but a single term ... I'll accept either as A Win but would prefer to have both. :)
I fail to see how the banning and/or prevention of sharing by our communication systems every kind of pr0n and unauthorised (c) content could be anything other than BENEFICIAL to our nation and society, let alone do anything other than IMPROVE the general speed and family friendliness of The Net.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt23
Mark Newton writes...
"It is a fundamental human right to have access to food, water and other necessities of life. You don't have to observe any kind of responsibility to qualify for that right."
Etc. Dunno where on earth you think this might be happening, but it certainly isn't in Oz, Mark. Last time I looked, if you wanna continue to get a Centrelink benefit then you've also got to prove that you're keeping up your end of the bargain re: your "mutual obligations".
We don't have the right to eat what we have neither earned nor been given and to do so is generally classed as theft and/or trespass and not much has changed in that regard since the days of Moses, etc. Sure, our society charitably will ensure various of us receive certain things here and there gratis temporarily in many cases and even permanently in other cases but generally there is an understanding that the receipient should be trying to get themselves to the stage where they earn their daily bread again instead of forever depending on the rest of us. How many societies do you know of that enjoy and welcome free-loaders forever bludging ?
Rights and Responsibilities intrinsically linked again, and in this case (as is usual) a greater expectation and importance on Responsibilities. ie, the responsibility of those in a position of being able to help to help and the helpless to turn that help into self-help. In fact, "Rights" barely gets a peep in that Very Real reality.
No one has a right to just jump in a vehicle and just drive all over the place any way they choose. What they do have The Right to do is sit the medicals and tests, learn the rules, and prove that they are aware of their road responsibilities. The presumption is But Of Course that they are then going to prefer those responsibilities but either way, "Rights" barely figures in that either.
This sort of thing is what I want to see happening for your precious internut (which is a convenience and a luxury but hardly something that could be deemed a necessity let alone a right, yet certainly something that comes with a whole load of associated responsibility) and I believe that the likes of ILCF is but a small stepping stone in getting across that necessary river.
To date ILCF has been sold badly but I reckon it and greater than it would be loudly demanded by the Oz majority if it was tied in with the reality of providing a lasting True Clean Feed rather than some twaddle about stopping CP.
And this is another reason why I continue to support it.
Another reason is because I don't want Oz to become like France.
And yes, I admit that another reason is that I hope the issue as it currently is helps see the ALP kicked out of government for a long time to come. :)
regarDS
"It is a fundamental human right to have access to food, water and other necessities of life. You don't have to observe any kind of responsibility to qualify for that right."
Etc. Dunno where on earth you think this might be happening, but it certainly isn't in Oz, Mark. Last time I looked, if you wanna continue to get a Centrelink benefit then you've also got to prove that you're keeping up your end of the bargain re: your "mutual obligations".
We don't have the right to eat what we have neither earned nor been given and to do so is generally classed as theft and/or trespass and not much has changed in that regard since the days of Moses, etc. Sure, our society charitably will ensure various of us receive certain things here and there gratis temporarily in many cases and even permanently in other cases but generally there is an understanding that the receipient should be trying to get themselves to the stage where they earn their daily bread again instead of forever depending on the rest of us. How many societies do you know of that enjoy and welcome free-loaders forever bludging ?
Rights and Responsibilities intrinsically linked again, and in this case (as is usual) a greater expectation and importance on Responsibilities. ie, the responsibility of those in a position of being able to help to help and the helpless to turn that help into self-help. In fact, "Rights" barely gets a peep in that Very Real reality.
No one has a right to just jump in a vehicle and just drive all over the place any way they choose. What they do have The Right to do is sit the medicals and tests, learn the rules, and prove that they are aware of their road responsibilities. The presumption is But Of Course that they are then going to prefer those responsibilities but either way, "Rights" barely figures in that either.
This sort of thing is what I want to see happening for your precious internut (which is a convenience and a luxury but hardly something that could be deemed a necessity let alone a right, yet certainly something that comes with a whole load of associated responsibility) and I believe that the likes of ILCF is but a small stepping stone in getting across that necessary river.
To date ILCF has been sold badly but I reckon it and greater than it would be loudly demanded by the Oz majority if it was tied in with the reality of providing a lasting True Clean Feed rather than some twaddle about stopping CP.
And this is another reason why I continue to support it.
Another reason is because I don't want Oz to become like France.
And yes, I admit that another reason is that I hope the issue as it currently is helps see the ALP kicked out of government for a long time to come. :)
regarDS
Wednesday, January 14, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22
"DS...... if it upsets you so much, just stop looking at the stuff. Solved."
Mark: He'll stop watching as soon as the French TV guys untie him from his chair :-)
Heh. How goes our continuing plan to discredit and get the ALP thrown out of government next election, brother ? Is this still something we are united in ?
Anyway, aside from that particular positive that ILCF can help deliver, why should I or anyone else have to be careful how we channel surf on TV or net surf on the McWeb ?
I'd rather have a Clean TV feed and Clean Internut Feed and not have to worry ... and what sort of parent wouldn't say the same ?
As for the likes of those who say things like "don't look and you won't have to be offended", then isn't that part of the reason so many areas of this planet are grubby polluted places these days ?
My guess is those who say such things rarely bother to try and keep their own community or city clean by picking up other thoughtless folk's rubbish but instead are prone to tipping engine oil down stormwater drains and playing their home theatre rigs at painful volumes late at night with the windows open.
ie, the kind of people who really only care about themselves.
Surely, in terms of the "Golden Rule" and all that, we all have a duty to ensure that our neighbours are not only discouraged if not prevented from harming themselves, but also prevented from bringing harm to the community let alone society in the long run ?
There we are, back to responsibilities and rights again. :)
Sure, ILCF is a bit like closing the barn door after the horses have bolted when one considers the depraved and embarrasing humiliations that are being inconsiderately broadcast into the ether on public TV in some countries, but hey, at least any Real Intelligence "out there" can now also see that at least SOME of us are trying to right the wrongs and that not all earth types are so easy and with strange inclinations. ;)
regarDS
Mark: He'll stop watching as soon as the French TV guys untie him from his chair :-)
Heh. How goes our continuing plan to discredit and get the ALP thrown out of government next election, brother ? Is this still something we are united in ?
Anyway, aside from that particular positive that ILCF can help deliver, why should I or anyone else have to be careful how we channel surf on TV or net surf on the McWeb ?
I'd rather have a Clean TV feed and Clean Internut Feed and not have to worry ... and what sort of parent wouldn't say the same ?
As for the likes of those who say things like "don't look and you won't have to be offended", then isn't that part of the reason so many areas of this planet are grubby polluted places these days ?
My guess is those who say such things rarely bother to try and keep their own community or city clean by picking up other thoughtless folk's rubbish but instead are prone to tipping engine oil down stormwater drains and playing their home theatre rigs at painful volumes late at night with the windows open.
ie, the kind of people who really only care about themselves.
Surely, in terms of the "Golden Rule" and all that, we all have a duty to ensure that our neighbours are not only discouraged if not prevented from harming themselves, but also prevented from bringing harm to the community let alone society in the long run ?
There we are, back to responsibilities and rights again. :)
Sure, ILCF is a bit like closing the barn door after the horses have bolted when one considers the depraved and embarrasing humiliations that are being inconsiderately broadcast into the ether on public TV in some countries, but hey, at least any Real Intelligence "out there" can now also see that at least SOME of us are trying to right the wrongs and that not all earth types are so easy and with strange inclinations. ;)
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22
"Who would have thought the government's proposed Internet filtering scheme would bring together so many disparate groups all united in their opposition to mandatory censorship?
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http://www.techworld.com.au/article/273031/strange_bedfellows_sex_it_unite_stop_net_censorship
I for one would happily vote for a Government which would seek to outlaw/make illegal all "X" rated material in Oz as well as make an "X" rating a more likely classification to be handed out. Same vote for a Government which made any kind of "sex industry" in Oz more difficult for anyone to become involved in (or make money out of) and brought greater penalties and punishments upon the customers of prostitutes rather than the prostitutes themselves - ie, reduce the need for supply by making the demand too unattractive.
Heck, put it all off-shore and don't let those who go off-shore for it back into the country, AFAIC ... and I bet I'm far from being alone with that sentiment.
Interesting the kinds of groups that get listed in that article and fascinating that they should come out into the light of day when the chosen lifestyles and/or questionable livelihoods are confronted with the potential of a "CLEAN FEED" and "FILTERED INTERNET" and it says a lot about the kind of Oz they selfishly want to inflict upon us all.
Yet I bet most of them prefer to drink filtered and clean water when they aren't busy trying to turn Oz into a revist of the last days of Pompeii, etc.
Ah well, at very least the threat of ILCF has helped draw a new line in the sand and made it easier to determine on yet another level just where the morality of Oz currently is and where it is heading.
regarDS
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http://www.techworld.com.au/article/273031/strange_bedfellows_sex_it_unite_stop_net_censorship
I for one would happily vote for a Government which would seek to outlaw/make illegal all "X" rated material in Oz as well as make an "X" rating a more likely classification to be handed out. Same vote for a Government which made any kind of "sex industry" in Oz more difficult for anyone to become involved in (or make money out of) and brought greater penalties and punishments upon the customers of prostitutes rather than the prostitutes themselves - ie, reduce the need for supply by making the demand too unattractive.
Heck, put it all off-shore and don't let those who go off-shore for it back into the country, AFAIC ... and I bet I'm far from being alone with that sentiment.
Interesting the kinds of groups that get listed in that article and fascinating that they should come out into the light of day when the chosen lifestyles and/or questionable livelihoods are confronted with the potential of a "CLEAN FEED" and "FILTERED INTERNET" and it says a lot about the kind of Oz they selfishly want to inflict upon us all.
Yet I bet most of them prefer to drink filtered and clean water when they aren't busy trying to turn Oz into a revist of the last days of Pompeii, etc.
Ah well, at very least the threat of ILCF has helped draw a new line in the sand and made it easier to determine on yet another level just where the morality of Oz currently is and where it is heading.
regarDS
Thursday, January 08, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt22
derspatz: So, have the ILCF trials commenced yet ? If so, any reported results as yet ?
Mark: Nope, Dave. Total failure. They collapsed in a heap in the week before Christmas, and Conroy said they were being pushed back to mid January.
Ah good, so I didn't miss anything interusting. :)
Mark: Here's my wrap-up of December for you, hope it's helpful :-)
/forum-replies.cfm?t=1109992&p=35#r694
Cheers Mark. Nothing like a beastly excursion to the Northern Hemisphere for a few weeks to remind us of how good we actually have it back here in Oz, eh ? Almost enough to make one want to make a small fire of one's passports (yeah, I've got a couple of different kinds) in the car park of the internutional airport once the final leg of the long-haul and the customs gauntlets and queues are over, hmmm ?
derspatz: I certainly was not very happy to discover the kind of stuff that was broadcast on public access French TV after midnight.
Mark: And yet, French society appears to have continued unabated along a slowly but steadily improving cant for hundreds, nay, thousands of years.
Surely you jest, oi ? Dunno what you can find all that advanced about that particular fragment of Ancient Rome which has given us the likes of Donatien Alphonse François de Sade and his sadism, madness, perversions, and the diseases they helped spread, or Ernest Duchesne (the true) discoverer of penicillin – used to combat sufferers of certain ails spread by the likes of the aforementioned, or Joseph-Ignace Guillotin and his development of the amputation device that bears his name and was deemed so popular by the common masses that they used it to amputate the heads of some of the very people who gave them their precious revolution and alleged "freedom" in the first place ?
Don't you find that particular society to generally consist of a humourless bunch who take themselves far too seriously (especially when it comes to food and its preparation and their language) and who are so obsessed with things digestive that one of their number going by the name of Marc-Antoine Jacoud, actually invented a device whereby a seated user can return under pressure the discarded remnants of recently digested to where it was just exited ... this time as a watery soup to be dribbled out again and again (apparently) ?
It is bad enough that their word for the affirmative has been incorporated into the Oz bogan Oz day chant, and don't get me started on the need for queues virtually everywhere you go in their capital. So sorry, no sale on the "steadily improving" thang – I just can't see it.
derspatz: The trouble is, morally even such things so easily judged as "pointless" on one level, should still be attempted even if doomed to failure, yes ?
Mark: Ah, yes: The Alston, "Even if we don't succeed we should still make the attempt" defense.
AFAIC, as long as The Righteous still attempt to be and promote righteousness, hope remains for mankind. I wouldn't know what the minimum level of the same is required in order to avoid judgement from a different source (looks up), but if memory serves me correctly it used to be 5 to a town or something like that ...
Oh, and to answer someone elses question, yes, I am still in support of ILCF.
regarDS
Mark: Nope, Dave. Total failure. They collapsed in a heap in the week before Christmas, and Conroy said they were being pushed back to mid January.
Ah good, so I didn't miss anything interusting. :)
Mark: Here's my wrap-up of December for you, hope it's helpful :-)
/forum-replies.cfm?t=1109992&p=35#r694
Cheers Mark. Nothing like a beastly excursion to the Northern Hemisphere for a few weeks to remind us of how good we actually have it back here in Oz, eh ? Almost enough to make one want to make a small fire of one's passports (yeah, I've got a couple of different kinds) in the car park of the internutional airport once the final leg of the long-haul and the customs gauntlets and queues are over, hmmm ?
derspatz: I certainly was not very happy to discover the kind of stuff that was broadcast on public access French TV after midnight.
Mark: And yet, French society appears to have continued unabated along a slowly but steadily improving cant for hundreds, nay, thousands of years.
Surely you jest, oi ? Dunno what you can find all that advanced about that particular fragment of Ancient Rome which has given us the likes of Donatien Alphonse François de Sade and his sadism, madness, perversions, and the diseases they helped spread, or Ernest Duchesne (the true) discoverer of penicillin – used to combat sufferers of certain ails spread by the likes of the aforementioned, or Joseph-Ignace Guillotin and his development of the amputation device that bears his name and was deemed so popular by the common masses that they used it to amputate the heads of some of the very people who gave them their precious revolution and alleged "freedom" in the first place ?
Don't you find that particular society to generally consist of a humourless bunch who take themselves far too seriously (especially when it comes to food and its preparation and their language) and who are so obsessed with things digestive that one of their number going by the name of Marc-Antoine Jacoud, actually invented a device whereby a seated user can return under pressure the discarded remnants of recently digested to where it was just exited ... this time as a watery soup to be dribbled out again and again (apparently) ?
It is bad enough that their word for the affirmative has been incorporated into the Oz bogan Oz day chant, and don't get me started on the need for queues virtually everywhere you go in their capital. So sorry, no sale on the "steadily improving" thang – I just can't see it.
derspatz: The trouble is, morally even such things so easily judged as "pointless" on one level, should still be attempted even if doomed to failure, yes ?
Mark: Ah, yes: The Alston, "Even if we don't succeed we should still make the attempt" defense.
AFAIC, as long as The Righteous still attempt to be and promote righteousness, hope remains for mankind. I wouldn't know what the minimum level of the same is required in order to avoid judgement from a different source (looks up), but if memory serves me correctly it used to be 5 to a town or something like that ...
Oh, and to answer someone elses question, yes, I am still in support of ILCF.
regarDS
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