In case you want to change things on the other hand if you don't vote in Australia you can get fined.
That might not be the case for too much longer as there is a new push for voluntary voting and believe it or not, it is actually coming from some pollies !
BTW, voluntary voting typically favours conservative parties, yes ?
regarDS
Wednesday, November 19, 2008
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
so your saying the Mp's and senators are lazy and dont really care, why do we bother voting for them then, its all a waste of time isnt it ?
Not too far off from what is basically my view. Add a bit of "acting out of self-interest" (which can take many forms, including some good ones) and we've nearly got the whole golem animated.
are you suggesting that we should just accept the nanny state scenario and just shut up about any opposition towards it and give up ?
I'm suggesting that one should rise above it and not get too sucked into wallowing around in the stink with the floaters.
"let the dead bury the dead", and all that.
regarDS
Not too far off from what is basically my view. Add a bit of "acting out of self-interest" (which can take many forms, including some good ones) and we've nearly got the whole golem animated.
are you suggesting that we should just accept the nanny state scenario and just shut up about any opposition towards it and give up ?
I'm suggesting that one should rise above it and not get too sucked into wallowing around in the stink with the floaters.
"let the dead bury the dead", and all that.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
So the week before last I rang my local MP Mr Peter Lindsay and was told to put my feelings in writing.
I did so and also emailed his office and heard nothing.
Etc, etc.
I don't understand why this sort of thing surprises you. At very least, doesn't the way you and most of your work mates approach their own jobs and virtually everyone you have ever observed in Oz in the way they go about their business, give you a fair idea of how the pollies and their offices go about theirs ?
There is no conspiracy – it all boils down to whatever the minimum is to get the necessary job done, and very little more on top of that.
We've elected a PM who (when not busy throwing away our surplus) likes to watch (as opposed to "do"), and cultivated a number of generations who not only see welfare as a right but also still whine and moan about it (let alone show the slightest bit of responsiblity towards contributing in any positive and useful way to our society). Is it any wonder that the rest of us have given up caring all that much any more ... what is left to care all that much about anyway ?
Our nation not only has become a Nanny state, but it now both needs and expects it.
Hence both the cause and necessity for ILCF or something like it.
Squeaking to your local member will only get you the kind of oil they mistakenly think you need ... you'd probably fair better at getting water from rocks than actually what you want from getting in the faces of pollies.
It's just another job after all – and one typically done badly.
regarDS
I did so and also emailed his office and heard nothing.
Etc, etc.
I don't understand why this sort of thing surprises you. At very least, doesn't the way you and most of your work mates approach their own jobs and virtually everyone you have ever observed in Oz in the way they go about their business, give you a fair idea of how the pollies and their offices go about theirs ?
There is no conspiracy – it all boils down to whatever the minimum is to get the necessary job done, and very little more on top of that.
We've elected a PM who (when not busy throwing away our surplus) likes to watch (as opposed to "do"), and cultivated a number of generations who not only see welfare as a right but also still whine and moan about it (let alone show the slightest bit of responsiblity towards contributing in any positive and useful way to our society). Is it any wonder that the rest of us have given up caring all that much any more ... what is left to care all that much about anyway ?
Our nation not only has become a Nanny state, but it now both needs and expects it.
Hence both the cause and necessity for ILCF or something like it.
Squeaking to your local member will only get you the kind of oil they mistakenly think you need ... you'd probably fair better at getting water from rocks than actually what you want from getting in the faces of pollies.
It's just another job after all – and one typically done badly.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
Jeff's family is typical middle class double income and his parents take their parenting role seriously. Gary's parents, on the other hand, are complete yobbos and, when they're not blowing thier welfare cheque down at the TAB, they're sitting at home in front of the TV with beer in one hand and bong in the other.
So why are Jeff's parents letting their child hang out at Gary's parent's, again ?
regarDS
So why are Jeff's parents letting their child hang out at Gary's parent's, again ?
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt12
We don't allow racists (a minority) dictate the policies of the country, why should we allow religious fundies to do the same?
Because unlike the racists (who are always arguing from a nonsense POV because of the fact that humanity consists of but one race; homo-sapien), the so called mis-named "religious fundies" are right ... and you are wrong ? :)
How about we leave all the "us and them" out of the discussion, hmmm ?
regarDS
Because unlike the racists (who are always arguing from a nonsense POV because of the fact that humanity consists of but one race; homo-sapien), the so called mis-named "religious fundies" are right ... and you are wrong ? :)
How about we leave all the "us and them" out of the discussion, hmmm ?
regarDS
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11
HAhaha Lol i was sent a link from a mate who edited the wikipedia page with conroy to show rather um dirty pictures that he photoshopped :P
Uh, I'd be quite shocked if most of us in here didn't think that such vandals are deemed to be the similar sort of scum of the earth that graffiti vandals and bus/train window scratchers are.
Tis for those kinds of people that the acronym "FOAD" was prolly invented.
Lowest of low, isn't funny, should never be encouraged, and shame on those who do it or encourage it or give approval to it.
regarDS
Uh, I'd be quite shocked if most of us in here didn't think that such vandals are deemed to be the similar sort of scum of the earth that graffiti vandals and bus/train window scratchers are.
Tis for those kinds of people that the acronym "FOAD" was prolly invented.
Lowest of low, isn't funny, should never be encouraged, and shame on those who do it or encourage it or give approval to it.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11
Anyone anti Filter were very quickly cut off.
Which should go a long way to informing you why, if not ILCF gets up, SOMETHING will.
Big business, especially business in relation to news media and the music/film industry, who also usually share a bed with The Government in order to get what they want, are ALL for Controlling teh interwub (:compromise, anyone ? :)
The pr0n angle is just a pragmatic means to an ends and a mere low down plat in a whip with a sting end you are yet to see.
The News media are faced with dwindling sales and advertising opportunities as their print form sales diminish and their online content goes out for free, so But Of Course they would like to see The Net being far more easier to control and extract an easy penny from.
The Music scene is continually suffering from p2p/sharing/piracy so would also love to see a more controllable Web in order to better extract what they rightfully feel is due them.
Same again with the film/visual media industries.
Ah, but you're never going to sell a filter to the masses by talking about controlling that sort of stuff – far better to sell it by talking about what at least most FEMALE members of a family want for their family. ie, making it hard for their children and HUSBANDS etc to access pr0n.
Take it as read that the FF (whom I voted for and agree with here and there) would ultimately like to (rightfully) see ALL pr0n removed from Oz eyes whether it be via the internut or via magazines in the news agents, so we shouldn't be surprised that they are a Yay crowd being ILCF ... and I reckon "Good on 'em" for it too.
So, what do we have ?
We have most normal/general families wanting to protect their families from the ready access to pr0n, and we have big businesses wanting to stop their profits being pirated away, and we have The Government which wants to keep the most number of voters happy whilst also keeping Big Businesess happy and making taxable profits, and maybe even helping make our society a nicer/better/safer thing.
Which generally translates back to "you lot waa, waa, waaing" about ILCF are baracking for the losing side".
While there is money to be made (that is currently being lost) out of The Net, and pressure on The Government to be seen to be making things better for "Working Families and their children", you're going to remain on a hiding to nothing and in fact are more likely to attact negative attention in the long run.
Yes, we all know that to begin with, the ILFC isn't going to help (or target in favour of) the Big Businesses I mentioned – but once the system/software is in ...
"unwanted material" ? Unwanted by whom. Big business ?
Bah, leave the internut to those wanting to make money out of it ... let's go back to something free and sociable and only use th McWeb when we actually need to, and even then, never in
support of it making money for someone else.
regarDS
Which should go a long way to informing you why, if not ILCF gets up, SOMETHING will.
Big business, especially business in relation to news media and the music/film industry, who also usually share a bed with The Government in order to get what they want, are ALL for Controlling teh interwub (:compromise, anyone ? :)
The pr0n angle is just a pragmatic means to an ends and a mere low down plat in a whip with a sting end you are yet to see.
The News media are faced with dwindling sales and advertising opportunities as their print form sales diminish and their online content goes out for free, so But Of Course they would like to see The Net being far more easier to control and extract an easy penny from.
The Music scene is continually suffering from p2p/sharing/piracy so would also love to see a more controllable Web in order to better extract what they rightfully feel is due them.
Same again with the film/visual media industries.
Ah, but you're never going to sell a filter to the masses by talking about controlling that sort of stuff – far better to sell it by talking about what at least most FEMALE members of a family want for their family. ie, making it hard for their children and HUSBANDS etc to access pr0n.
Take it as read that the FF (whom I voted for and agree with here and there) would ultimately like to (rightfully) see ALL pr0n removed from Oz eyes whether it be via the internut or via magazines in the news agents, so we shouldn't be surprised that they are a Yay crowd being ILCF ... and I reckon "Good on 'em" for it too.
So, what do we have ?
We have most normal/general families wanting to protect their families from the ready access to pr0n, and we have big businesses wanting to stop their profits being pirated away, and we have The Government which wants to keep the most number of voters happy whilst also keeping Big Businesess happy and making taxable profits, and maybe even helping make our society a nicer/better/safer thing.
Which generally translates back to "you lot waa, waa, waaing" about ILCF are baracking for the losing side".
While there is money to be made (that is currently being lost) out of The Net, and pressure on The Government to be seen to be making things better for "Working Families and their children", you're going to remain on a hiding to nothing and in fact are more likely to attact negative attention in the long run.
Yes, we all know that to begin with, the ILFC isn't going to help (or target in favour of) the Big Businesses I mentioned – but once the system/software is in ...
"unwanted material" ? Unwanted by whom. Big business ?
Bah, leave the internut to those wanting to make money out of it ... let's go back to something free and sociable and only use th McWeb when we actually need to, and even then, never in
support of it making money for someone else.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11
The problem is centralised communication networks are far too easy to be taken over, subverted to the will of a government or other authority.
Exactly my point from way back in the piece.
I see the concept of the "internet" evolving, either with a greater effort to undermine government control, or with cheaper, more powerful transceiver, individuals seeking to make their own internet.
Ditto.
What about the days of BBS? An enterprising fella living on a hill could roll out their own wireless BBS, charge a access fee and start rolling out small leased line circuits connecting to other like minded types.
For our W.A. participants, a visit to http://www.wafreenet.org
and http://www.e3.com.au (Hi JJ) may be in order to see (and even participate in) what chugs is talking about.
Sometimes the way forward is to back-track a bit, with the keys to the future to be found in the past.
However, I personally reckon that if an individual has something to fear and/or lose some access to thanks to ILCF, then they were probably up to no good in the first place. I really can't see it affecting any of my Browsing and internut habits other than in a mostly positive way.
WWJB ? :)
regarDS
Exactly my point from way back in the piece.
I see the concept of the "internet" evolving, either with a greater effort to undermine government control, or with cheaper, more powerful transceiver, individuals seeking to make their own internet.
Ditto.
What about the days of BBS? An enterprising fella living on a hill could roll out their own wireless BBS, charge a access fee and start rolling out small leased line circuits connecting to other like minded types.
For our W.A. participants, a visit to http://www.wafreenet.org
and http://www.e3.com.au (Hi JJ) may be in order to see (and even participate in) what chugs is talking about.
Sometimes the way forward is to back-track a bit, with the keys to the future to be found in the past.
However, I personally reckon that if an individual has something to fear and/or lose some access to thanks to ILCF, then they were probably up to no good in the first place. I really can't see it affecting any of my Browsing and internut habits other than in a mostly positive way.
WWJB ? :)
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11
I just realised my art portfolio could be banned because it's hosted at DA DeviantArt.
Could be false positive under filters
Or correctly filtered based on the subjectively/complaint based "unwanted" list, depending on how hand in hand various big business Art House types are with the prevailing Government and how strong the desire of both are in relation to stamping out independants and rogues.
Just like with the news media, music industry, and film distributors etc.
Tis plain to see what sort of things are going to end up in the "unwanted" basket – and who will be making the efforts to have them put in that basket ... and I reckon that the likes of FF are the LEAST of your concerns in that regard.
As for being filtered, I had my first "google has hidden/removed one search result due to content reported as being illegal by complaint system" type message the other day.
Interestingly enough, I was searching the word "internut" (and discovered that folk have been using it for a long, long, LONG time) but I've just gone back to search for it again so I could get the exact text to quote in here of the message google presented at the bottom of the results list, and it no longer appears for that particular search.
Anyone else ever got that kind of message and can still duplicate it so we can all take a look at what it looks like ?
Anyway, I suspect a similar sort of messaging system will be used when ILCF is brought in.
regarDS
Could be false positive under filters
Or correctly filtered based on the subjectively/complaint based "unwanted" list, depending on how hand in hand various big business Art House types are with the prevailing Government and how strong the desire of both are in relation to stamping out independants and rogues.
Just like with the news media, music industry, and film distributors etc.
Tis plain to see what sort of things are going to end up in the "unwanted" basket – and who will be making the efforts to have them put in that basket ... and I reckon that the likes of FF are the LEAST of your concerns in that regard.
As for being filtered, I had my first "google has hidden/removed one search result due to content reported as being illegal by complaint system" type message the other day.
Interestingly enough, I was searching the word "internut" (and discovered that folk have been using it for a long, long, LONG time) but I've just gone back to search for it again so I could get the exact text to quote in here of the message google presented at the bottom of the results list, and it no longer appears for that particular search.
Anyone else ever got that kind of message and can still duplicate it so we can all take a look at what it looks like ?
Anyway, I suspect a similar sort of messaging system will be used when ILCF is brought in.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11
It's going to stop the ATO from collecting funds and/or add immense costs to everyone meeting ATO obligations.
I doubt it. The current ATO portal/certificate system for BAS and PAYG etc if not merely "whitelisted" is destined to be taken to a new level down the track as per usual "keeping up with technology", anyway.
If anything, the client/ATO relationship is probably easier and better (and now a long way from the "us and them" of old – tis just like doing online banking these days) than it has ever been thanks to the portal system, and I for one can only see it getting even better regardless of ILCF.
(Some) banks already offer business clients VPN/securid token access ... maybe this is the path the ATO may take in the long run as well. Dunno, don't care, I just reckon that the ATO will remain on their current path of making it as easy and cost effective as possible for Oz income earners to pay their taxes.
Still, feel free to count "the ATO won't be able to easily collect taxes" as one of the arguments against ILCF ... :)
regarDS
I doubt it. The current ATO portal/certificate system for BAS and PAYG etc if not merely "whitelisted" is destined to be taken to a new level down the track as per usual "keeping up with technology", anyway.
If anything, the client/ATO relationship is probably easier and better (and now a long way from the "us and them" of old – tis just like doing online banking these days) than it has ever been thanks to the portal system, and I for one can only see it getting even better regardless of ILCF.
(Some) banks already offer business clients VPN/securid token access ... maybe this is the path the ATO may take in the long run as well. Dunno, don't care, I just reckon that the ATO will remain on their current path of making it as easy and cost effective as possible for Oz income earners to pay their taxes.
Still, feel free to count "the ATO won't be able to easily collect taxes" as one of the arguments against ILCF ... :)
regarDS
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