Derspatz must be crying his little heart out right about now, seeing his fascist idol brought low
Sorry to have to disappoint [deleted], but I don't have idols, follow no sports, have no heros ... well, other than Stephen Bradbury and Jackie Chan in this modern era that is – with Stephen figuring bigger on the Hero scale for what he achieved at Those winter olympics.
Until joining this forum I had never heard of Senator Conroy and other than what I have read in this forum, I know nothing else about him either. Did I even spell his name correctly ?
Anyway, there's another reply to the tally for those you have provoked out of me. What is the count up to now ?
BTW, I'm somewhat anti surrogacy and IVF (even though I myself am an adoptee) ... in fact, I barely support any kind of breeding at all – didn't you notice the link to http://www.vhemt.org from my blog and web page ? :)
Hmmmm, I wonder if surrogacy and IVF will be on the filter black-list – and if not, how I might help get it added.
regarDS
Tuesday, November 04, 2008
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
derspatz writes...
Not bad. Not bad at all, Mark.
I'm not just a pretty face.
– mark
Heh ... and according to page 2 of the Rogues gallery (Hi Val) not even. Nor I. :)
http://members.pcug.org.au/~val/ltuae/
@ the end of the day, I'm sure balance will be achieved.
As for preservation of The Net against a hostile power hungry Government and/or special interest groups, I reckon we should consider the potential of the seed.
More on that another time, but I will say that trimming/lopping branches etc can be a never ending task ...
Every Government is replaced by another. The secret to survival is being either irrelevant or out of reach of all of them.
He who can destory a thing can control a thing, but he who can tame a thing can gain a devoted dependent servant and/or companion.
In the mean time, as someone wise once said; "It's hard to kick against the pricks" ...
regarDS
Not bad. Not bad at all, Mark.
I'm not just a pretty face.
– mark
Heh ... and according to page 2 of the Rogues gallery (Hi Val) not even. Nor I. :)
http://members.pcug.org.au/~val/ltuae/
@ the end of the day, I'm sure balance will be achieved.
As for preservation of The Net against a hostile power hungry Government and/or special interest groups, I reckon we should consider the potential of the seed.
More on that another time, but I will say that trimming/lopping branches etc can be a never ending task ...
Every Government is replaced by another. The secret to survival is being either irrelevant or out of reach of all of them.
He who can destory a thing can control a thing, but he who can tame a thing can gain a devoted dependent servant and/or companion.
In the mean time, as someone wise once said; "It's hard to kick against the pricks" ...
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
If people are true to their convictions, they should also be against such government intervention in other medium. It is simply illogical to not be consistent on this issue.
Now that I've worked my way back up the line, I find I have no objection to this person's POV at all ... and in fact agree with them in this issue of consistency.
regarDS
Now that I've worked my way back up the line, I find I have no objection to this person's POV at all ... and in fact agree with them in this issue of consistency.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
buggered if i know why we are talking about radio when we should be discussing the internet ... keep on topic , that is after all where the filter is being proposed to be put is it not ?
Despite what I just said/suggested, case-sensitive does have a valid point when the subject is about broadly reaching communications, and it is a point that does tie in with my objection for so many in here to be treating the internut as the be all and end all of communications along with the hysterical nonsense that "free speech" would in some way fail if The Web/Net was no more.
Tis refreshing (though distracting and not necessarily welcome at this time) to see this new level brought to things however out of primary context, I reckon.
Doesn't mean I welcome it though. :)
regarDS
Despite what I just said/suggested, case-sensitive does have a valid point when the subject is about broadly reaching communications, and it is a point that does tie in with my objection for so many in here to be treating the internut as the be all and end all of communications along with the hysterical nonsense that "free speech" would in some way fail if The Web/Net was no more.
Tis refreshing (though distracting and not necessarily welcome at this time) to see this new level brought to things however out of primary context, I reckon.
Doesn't mean I welcome it though. :)
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
Mark Newton writes...
Well do you subscribe to the argument you presented or not?Mark Newton writes...I didn't say I agreed with the argument, case, I just laid out the one the Government has used to regulate radio.
Well do you subscribe to the argument you presented or not?
Most irrelevant. Suggest you give it up case-sensitive, especially considering how interactive the radio and TV isn't.
regarDS
Well do you subscribe to the argument you presented or not?Mark Newton writes...I didn't say I agreed with the argument, case, I just laid out the one the Government has used to regulate radio.
Well do you subscribe to the argument you presented or not?
Most irrelevant. Suggest you give it up case-sensitive, especially considering how interactive the radio and TV isn't.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
WTF is Promise Keeper men??
An AOG thing if memory serves me correctly. Think Hillsong members who are too old to enter Oz Idol and you'l be on track.
regarDS
An AOG thing if memory serves me correctly. Think Hillsong members who are too old to enter Oz Idol and you'l be on track.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
As said before, I will drive from Sydney to Canberra to join a well organised protest if one happens.
Truth be told, you'd make the drive just for the fun of it, yes ? :)
regarDS
PS: Will you be in Perth for a few days after 07/01/09 ? I'll be back in town by then.
Truth be told, you'd make the drive just for the fun of it, yes ? :)
regarDS
PS: Will you be in Perth for a few days after 07/01/09 ? I'll be back in town by then.
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
derspatz writes...
the big one from .il ?derspatz writes...Think of a big international company that specialises in IT type stuff
the big one from .il ?
Clue.
I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike, I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride it where I like ...
Sounds like those who don't want ISP level content filtering, eh ?
and no, "I don't want to be the President of America".
... all I want to do is bicycle.
regarDS
the big one from .il ?derspatz writes...Think of a big international company that specialises in IT type stuff
the big one from .il ?
Clue.
I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike, I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride it where I like ...
Sounds like those who don't want ISP level content filtering, eh ?
and no, "I don't want to be the President of America".
... all I want to do is bicycle.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
And I don't honestly believe the Rudd government is planning on using this tool for censorship etc.
As a shift worker, I regularly watch parliarment question time (it is either that or offensive/degrading FLIRT/porn spiced dating adverts) and so inclined to disagree.
It has been talked about before that war could be declared on us by (say) Indonesia.
Well, they do have 240+ million to our 20 million, so I sometimes wonder how many volcanoes have to open in that ring of fire before they decide North Oz looks a bit more stable ...
Then the government decides they need censorship of foreign news reports etc. Well the tool is already there to allow them to do that with this filter
To stop us panicking, requiring our guns back, and stop shopping for banal nonsenses ? Hmmmm .. but how deep would "their" bunker be to keep them safe should we be invaded ?
Nah, doesn't work for me ... if the Powers That Be thought we were in danger from a foreign land, they would do better to make sure we were armed and dangerous in order to give them as much breathing/running/hiding time as possible.
Such sell out ideas only work if there is an actual benefit to those doing the selling out.
Depends how the false postives are generated. Is it a blacklist? Is it an algorithm that looks for words or pictures – as someone has suggested before there go all the information sites on breast cancer.
I think we are trying to get too clever here. Sure, many of us here (including me) think along such lines, for after all, we are about using IT to make the world a clever wonderful and better place. Conroy and CO are just about keeping the most amount of people happy with the least amount of complexity, thus, I wouldn't be surprised if the final product wasn't much better than being akin to host file exclusions or something like that.
Another pet word. Oh well, decrease your credibility slightly more if that is possible.
(presumably in response to "notwork" ?)
Only a narcissist sees themselves as vital, important, necessary, needful to the drama they have immersed themselves in. I, on the other hand, am more than happy to have my words, even single words, outlive me ... especially if it helps diffuse the bane of our world; Fanatical Religious Zealotism, and instead helps folk to think/act/be more balanced in life.
You are talking about the proposed faster network – but at the same time you said you are happy on 256k ADSL. So yes – you will get a hit on your connection. As will I using a 3G based speed limited service. So you might as well contact your service provider and say I don't need 256 anymore, drop it to 180 please.
No richary, because the fact is no one really knows ... all that is going on here is hysterical scare mongering for personal gain. Same applies re: the environtologists and the church of environtology, ec, etc.
[confession]
You might remember me as someone particularly Fanatical once upon a time. Sure, I'm still fanatical, but mainly against religious zealotry whatever form it might take (religion being such a broad term and measure).
Why ? September 11, 2001. Since then, whenever I see anything getting too fanatical in one direction or another, I seek to find ways to bring it back to balance, the middle. Can you see why I might be attracted to this discussion and issue ?
[/confession]
I'm happy enough with the 256/65 connection ATM because there is nothing worth spending anything more on ATM IMHO. Sure, it would be nice to be downloading Ubuntu 8.10 while typing this and getting the next season of "Reaper" (excellent comedy about someone who's soul is sold to the devil by his parents) from the US at the same time, but I can wait for it to come here on DVD and the next PC mag to include it.
Perhaps we ALL need to slow down a bit ... even if just to learn to appreciate things a little bit more/better ?
That being said, I doubt if there will be any kind of meaningful slow down for very long.
There never is, dammit.
regarDS
As a shift worker, I regularly watch parliarment question time (it is either that or offensive/degrading FLIRT/porn spiced dating adverts) and so inclined to disagree.
It has been talked about before that war could be declared on us by (say) Indonesia.
Well, they do have 240+ million to our 20 million, so I sometimes wonder how many volcanoes have to open in that ring of fire before they decide North Oz looks a bit more stable ...
Then the government decides they need censorship of foreign news reports etc. Well the tool is already there to allow them to do that with this filter
To stop us panicking, requiring our guns back, and stop shopping for banal nonsenses ? Hmmmm .. but how deep would "their" bunker be to keep them safe should we be invaded ?
Nah, doesn't work for me ... if the Powers That Be thought we were in danger from a foreign land, they would do better to make sure we were armed and dangerous in order to give them as much breathing/running/hiding time as possible.
Such sell out ideas only work if there is an actual benefit to those doing the selling out.
Depends how the false postives are generated. Is it a blacklist? Is it an algorithm that looks for words or pictures – as someone has suggested before there go all the information sites on breast cancer.
I think we are trying to get too clever here. Sure, many of us here (including me) think along such lines, for after all, we are about using IT to make the world a clever wonderful and better place. Conroy and CO are just about keeping the most amount of people happy with the least amount of complexity, thus, I wouldn't be surprised if the final product wasn't much better than being akin to host file exclusions or something like that.
Another pet word. Oh well, decrease your credibility slightly more if that is possible.
(presumably in response to "notwork" ?)
Only a narcissist sees themselves as vital, important, necessary, needful to the drama they have immersed themselves in. I, on the other hand, am more than happy to have my words, even single words, outlive me ... especially if it helps diffuse the bane of our world; Fanatical Religious Zealotism, and instead helps folk to think/act/be more balanced in life.
You are talking about the proposed faster network – but at the same time you said you are happy on 256k ADSL. So yes – you will get a hit on your connection. As will I using a 3G based speed limited service. So you might as well contact your service provider and say I don't need 256 anymore, drop it to 180 please.
No richary, because the fact is no one really knows ... all that is going on here is hysterical scare mongering for personal gain. Same applies re: the environtologists and the church of environtology, ec, etc.
[confession]
You might remember me as someone particularly Fanatical once upon a time. Sure, I'm still fanatical, but mainly against religious zealotry whatever form it might take (religion being such a broad term and measure).
Why ? September 11, 2001. Since then, whenever I see anything getting too fanatical in one direction or another, I seek to find ways to bring it back to balance, the middle. Can you see why I might be attracted to this discussion and issue ?
[/confession]
I'm happy enough with the 256/65 connection ATM because there is nothing worth spending anything more on ATM IMHO. Sure, it would be nice to be downloading Ubuntu 8.10 while typing this and getting the next season of "Reaper" (excellent comedy about someone who's soul is sold to the devil by his parents) from the US at the same time, but I can wait for it to come here on DVD and the next PC mag to include it.
Perhaps we ALL need to slow down a bit ... even if just to learn to appreciate things a little bit more/better ?
That being said, I doubt if there will be any kind of meaningful slow down for very long.
There never is, dammit.
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt7
Does that answer your question?
- mark
Not bad. Not bad at all, Mark.
regarDS
- mark
Not bad. Not bad at all, Mark.
regarDS
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