Subject: Your attempts to go Real World on Clive Hamilton
(See: http://blog.websinthe.org/2009/02/20/where-clive-hamilton-accuses-me-of-trying-to-silence-him/ for more on the story, as well as: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1145505&p=53 and the long message from user "neilmc" detailing his planned cowardly and underhanded Real World attack on someone he does not agree with.
Start-of-quote
"From my point of view it appears that Professor Hamilton has launched a personal anti-pornography campaign and is using his University title to add weight to his agenda."
So what ? None of us are any different when it comes to linking earned titles and the like with what we do or say. When one has done the work and put themself through the discipline, they have earned the bragging rights after all.
Perhaps it is time for you to seek some professional help for your online addictions (and fear of finding it hard to feed them once ILCF is implimented) now that you have so obviously come to the sad and scary stage whereby you are prepared to try and have someone somehow moderated or shut-down by complaining to their employer and/or associates.
Quite shameful, cowardly, and despicable of you neil (and I'm sure your peers, if they be of any decent moral fibre, will agree), and in fact not much different to the alleged phonecall/message that was delivered to Geordie Guy's residence or the investigation I once had to go through all because someone who couldn't handle being found wrong on the internut, decided to try and get revenge by making a false claim to my employer at the time.
I strongly suggest you reconsider both your intent and motivations.
Feel free to post this whim into the public domain either at whirlpool or as a comment on a blog, whatever. I will be adding it to my online public accessed archives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com anyway.
regarDS
End-of-quote
EDIT: After sending the above, I also discovered that even the Hero of the Anti-ILCF brigade (Mark Newton) had this to say (and more, but I'll stick to fair-use) about neilmc's planned Real Worlding.
"Guys, I feel the need to pour some cold water on this effort to chase Hamilton through CSU. (much snipped) But in my opinion, the correct response to speech with which one violently disagrees is more speech to explain the disagreement. Trawling through the speaker's social and professional circles until you find a point where you can apply pressure to prevent further speech is just wrong."
Friday, February 20, 2009
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt28
richary writes...
Email just sent to Getup through their contact page.....
I recently donated to the campaign to place advertisements relating to the anti internet filtering scheme proposed for Australia. Like many other people I have yet to see an online ad.
Can you please advise where the money donated for this campaign has gone? Where the ads appeared and if it was spent on this campaign.
If you have diverted to something else I will be taking action via Visa who I donated through as well as the local Consumer Affairs people that you have collected money fraudelenty and I did not get what I paid for.
Regards
Richard
Take action Richary. But I did warn all you guys way back in these threads (don't bother looking for it, it was blatted and so only lives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com now:)) that giving to the left-wing environmentalist front organisation "GetUp!" was a foolish idea and that at first opportunity they would be redirecting "donations" to their more serious agendas.
See: http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/posted-dbcde-blog-site.html in which I say:
"That the likes of the putrid lefty "GetUp!" lobbying group have now chosen to now align themselves with this latest public fad topic (no doubt in order to fleece a new breed of sheep then redirect conned, uh, donated funds to their more extreme lefty agendas where-ever possible) is one of the best indications that the likes of ILCF is not only well justified but also well overdue.
Why ? Well since when did the likes of GetUp! ever get involved in supporting what is actually Good and Right for Australia ?"
and: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-up-stand-up-getup-for-your-lefts.html which includes my waffle of:
"... They've now reached the stage where they are haplessly handing over cash to an Oz organization that is so Radically-Extreme-Yet-Carefully-Camouflaged-Left that they make the Evil Lefty Greens look like die Hitler-Jugend !
But Of Course I am referring to "GetUp!". If you've not heard of them before, the "GetUp!" stands for "Greenie Environmentalist Terrorists Undermining Peace!" though they would never tell you it stands for that ... but Der Apfel fällt nicht weit vom Baum, ja?
This gaily painted sinister lobbying group casts the combined shadow of every Lefty political party you could imagine, including those yet to be spawned from whatever Bog of Eternal Stench it is that continually manages to foist such wrongness upon common humanity.
Think of every issue and controversy that divides Oz and you will find the GetUp! crowd busy lobbying in favour of those on the WRONG side of the division and working towards making things even WORSE for Oz than it already is."
In short, you've all done your money when it comes to GetUp! ... but please get those complaints rolling in as I for one would love to see them investigated and shut down.
regarDS
PS: I guess that's my magic bullet used up ... I was going to save it for ILCF Implementation day, but oh well. :)
Email just sent to Getup through their contact page.....
I recently donated to the campaign to place advertisements relating to the anti internet filtering scheme proposed for Australia. Like many other people I have yet to see an online ad.
Can you please advise where the money donated for this campaign has gone? Where the ads appeared and if it was spent on this campaign.
If you have diverted to something else I will be taking action via Visa who I donated through as well as the local Consumer Affairs people that you have collected money fraudelenty and I did not get what I paid for.
Regards
Richard
Take action Richary. But I did warn all you guys way back in these threads (don't bother looking for it, it was blatted and so only lives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com now:)) that giving to the left-wing environmentalist front organisation "GetUp!" was a foolish idea and that at first opportunity they would be redirecting "donations" to their more serious agendas.
See: http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/posted-dbcde-blog-site.html in which I say:
"That the likes of the putrid lefty "GetUp!" lobbying group have now chosen to now align themselves with this latest public fad topic (no doubt in order to fleece a new breed of sheep then redirect conned, uh, donated funds to their more extreme lefty agendas where-ever possible) is one of the best indications that the likes of ILCF is not only well justified but also well overdue.
Why ? Well since when did the likes of GetUp! ever get involved in supporting what is actually Good and Right for Australia ?"
and: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-up-stand-up-getup-for-your-lefts.html which includes my waffle of:
"... They've now reached the stage where they are haplessly handing over cash to an Oz organization that is so Radically-Extreme-Yet-Carefully-Camouflaged-Left that they make the Evil Lefty Greens look like die Hitler-Jugend !
But Of Course I am referring to "GetUp!". If you've not heard of them before, the "GetUp!" stands for "Greenie Environmentalist Terrorists Undermining Peace!" though they would never tell you it stands for that ... but Der Apfel fällt nicht weit vom Baum, ja?
This gaily painted sinister lobbying group casts the combined shadow of every Lefty political party you could imagine, including those yet to be spawned from whatever Bog of Eternal Stench it is that continually manages to foist such wrongness upon common humanity.
Think of every issue and controversy that divides Oz and you will find the GetUp! crowd busy lobbying in favour of those on the WRONG side of the division and working towards making things even WORSE for Oz than it already is."
In short, you've all done your money when it comes to GetUp! ... but please get those complaints rolling in as I for one would love to see them investigated and shut down.
regarDS
PS: I guess that's my magic bullet used up ... I was going to save it for ILCF Implementation day, but oh well. :)
Friday, January 30, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool as a whim to Geordie Guy
Hi Geordie.
Sorry to read that you've apparently suffered real-world nutty attention for your views, but I'm glad it wasn't as bad as the kind I've suffered in the past where someone who was losing a debate with me online, used knowledge of my identity to track me down and my employment and then tried to get me fired from my job and as it was a politically sensitive Government job, an obligitory investigation was instigated which cost me shift penalties for the duration along with causing considerable inconvenience and annoyance ... but at least when I was ButOfCourse exonerated, there was then recourse for my employers to push back the other way against the frivolous complaint and the perjerous scum who chose to do such a cowardly and disgusting thing.
No small wonder that I tend to protect the IDs of my loved ones and no small wonder I prefer using the word "internut" over "internet" ... especially when it comes to describing the cowardly antics of thugs and morons sniping forth from behind anonymity and nicks, and also why I prefer to not allow comments on my main blog.
Allowing them on the blog dedicated to my posts to the whirlpool ILCF thread has earned me the following abuse from whirlpool forum users though:
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2009/01/posted-whirlpool-as-reply-whim-to-wart.html?showComment=1233124560000#c4830164280170942494 and
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/11/posted-whirlpool-ilcf-pt11.html?showComment=1233119880000#c8959391071177409818 ... which I don't see as being much different than some fanatical (inter)nut leaving abuse on your answering machine.
Nice move with the subtle cultivating of the idea that I'd be the kind of guy to deliver some sort of cowardly anon attack/abuse upon someone and in the offline world at that - I didn't figure you to be THAT much of a pragmatist, but hey, at least I know where I stand with you now. :)
Anyway, for the sake of the record, here is a sample of my voice to compare to your recording. http://derspatz.webng.com/sweet.htm
I deem this whim (just like with all others I send) to be public domain and as such it shall be added to http://derblatz.blogspot.com/ for the sake of keeping an open record.
regarDS
Sorry to read that you've apparently suffered real-world nutty attention for your views, but I'm glad it wasn't as bad as the kind I've suffered in the past where someone who was losing a debate with me online, used knowledge of my identity to track me down and my employment and then tried to get me fired from my job and as it was a politically sensitive Government job, an obligitory investigation was instigated which cost me shift penalties for the duration along with causing considerable inconvenience and annoyance ... but at least when I was ButOfCourse exonerated, there was then recourse for my employers to push back the other way against the frivolous complaint and the perjerous scum who chose to do such a cowardly and disgusting thing.
No small wonder that I tend to protect the IDs of my loved ones and no small wonder I prefer using the word "internut" over "internet" ... especially when it comes to describing the cowardly antics of thugs and morons sniping forth from behind anonymity and nicks, and also why I prefer to not allow comments on my main blog.
Allowing them on the blog dedicated to my posts to the whirlpool ILCF thread has earned me the following abuse from whirlpool forum users though:
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2009/01/posted-whirlpool-as-reply-whim-to-wart.html?showComment=1233124560000#c4830164280170942494 and
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/11/posted-whirlpool-ilcf-pt11.html?showComment=1233119880000#c8959391071177409818 ... which I don't see as being much different than some fanatical (inter)nut leaving abuse on your answering machine.
Nice move with the subtle cultivating of the idea that I'd be the kind of guy to deliver some sort of cowardly anon attack/abuse upon someone and in the offline world at that - I didn't figure you to be THAT much of a pragmatist, but hey, at least I know where I stand with you now. :)
Anyway, for the sake of the record, here is a sample of my voice to compare to your recording. http://derspatz.webng.com/sweet.htm
I deem this whim (just like with all others I send) to be public domain and as such it shall be added to http://derblatz.blogspot.com/ for the sake of keeping an open record.
regarDS
Thursday, January 29, 2009
Posted @ ABC "Life Matters"
Posted to: http://www2b.abc.net.au/guestbookcentral/list.asp?guestbookID=359
or comment on it there by clicking: http://www2b.abc.net.au/guestbookcentral/addcomment.asp?GuestbookID=359&EntryID=2144420&view=&numtoview=&start=&sort=&filter1=&filter1val=&filter2=&filter2val=&filter3=&filter3val=&advanced=&pagestart=1
derspatz: "Clean Feed" - internut filtering
regarDS
or comment on it there by clicking: http://www2b.abc.net.au/guestbookcentral/addcomment.asp?GuestbookID=359&EntryID=2144420&view=&numtoview=&start=&sort=&filter1=&filter1val=&filter2=&filter2val=&filter3=&filter3val=&advanced=&pagestart=1
derspatz: "Clean Feed" - internut filtering
I tend to suspect that the loudest voices protesting the Government's correct and necessary efforts regarding bringing the internut into line with the laws that govern things offline, are from those with the most to lose in terms of being cut off from their chosen poisons and/or having to actually start paying for intellectual property they currently prefer to mainly steal. That such voices are also apparently in favour of protecting and promoting a system that in current form helps continue the objectifing, degradation, enslaving, and exploitation of women, really only helps prove how necessary Government intervention has become, and not before its time either.
regarDS
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24. A Fare Thee Well ?
DerSpatz is likely one of several people who have watched the debate, have strong feelings about content on the web and how it should be dealt with, and enjoy some of the heat that comes with taking a stance against a popular position.
This is almost trolling but not really, and it's important to make the distinction because otherwise the word troll becomes a cliché and starts to lose it's meaning.
Trolls usually enter conversations with the express purpose of posting inflammatory, off-topic or irrelavent messages. DerSpatz isn't really inflammatory (for the express sake of it), usually sticks somewhat on topic (just on an indefensible side of it) and generally speaking you can't accuse him of raising irrelavent points because despite his abject wrongness, he presumably does actually feel this way even if it raises questions about how far behind he is on his brain bills.
Cheers Geordie, but too little too late, and don't expect this last reply of mine in the ILCF forum thread to remain for very long before a certain somewhat over-zealous (to say the least) Mod at last gets to see the "perma-ban" it has so obviously been itching to see dropped upon me for for some time now.
You're wrong about most things when it comes to me (for example, I've been protecting family identities for decades, and I *have* had serious offline world harrasment in the past in response to things conveyed online, so who wouldn't want to shield family from such "internuts" – and why should family have to suffer or risk suffering such attentions because of a rep I choose for myself online ?) but hey, the topic is ILFC and not derspatz so moving right along ...
So, I thought I'd leave the ILCF and Broadband area with a message more acceptable to the anti-filter crew (even though it will soon to be blatted out of view in here anyway ... but just like with everything else I've ever posted in this forum, it will remain in the public record at http://derblatz.blogspot.com ) and I'll not use the word "internut" for the rest of this fare thee well.
Ok, the message. I'll start with a quote. It is from a 1999 speech delivered by someone I've supped, sipped, and socialised with (clang – sound of name being dropped) on various occasions over the last couple of decades, with the last occasion also shared with "richary" who has been a regular participant in this ILFC thread.
The speech could have been written for today which just goes to show how little has changed in the last 10 years since its writer delivered it at the Perth anti-censorship protest in May 28th, 1999.
You can find it here: http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/kh.html and it begins with:
"For some, the issue is free speech – not freedom to do illegal things, but the freedom to download and post to the Net anything that is legal in other media." – Kimberley Heitman, Chair, Electronic Frontiers Australia
Wow ... look how far we have come in 10 years. (rolls eyes)
Ok WarT, do your worst. I've fought the good fight against the unjust and underhanded and so But Of Course will will make the standard and necessary (if not typical) claim that my forced departure into the wilderness is from much higher moral ground than your own, and allow the next scape-goat to step up to face the fury and denials.
regarDS
PS: To the relative few of you who have ever received a whim from me, I deem such whims to be public domain and in no way private property.
This is almost trolling but not really, and it's important to make the distinction because otherwise the word troll becomes a cliché and starts to lose it's meaning.
Trolls usually enter conversations with the express purpose of posting inflammatory, off-topic or irrelavent messages. DerSpatz isn't really inflammatory (for the express sake of it), usually sticks somewhat on topic (just on an indefensible side of it) and generally speaking you can't accuse him of raising irrelavent points because despite his abject wrongness, he presumably does actually feel this way even if it raises questions about how far behind he is on his brain bills.
Cheers Geordie, but too little too late, and don't expect this last reply of mine in the ILCF forum thread to remain for very long before a certain somewhat over-zealous (to say the least) Mod at last gets to see the "perma-ban" it has so obviously been itching to see dropped upon me for for some time now.
You're wrong about most things when it comes to me (for example, I've been protecting family identities for decades, and I *have* had serious offline world harrasment in the past in response to things conveyed online, so who wouldn't want to shield family from such "internuts" – and why should family have to suffer or risk suffering such attentions because of a rep I choose for myself online ?) but hey, the topic is ILFC and not derspatz so moving right along ...
So, I thought I'd leave the ILCF and Broadband area with a message more acceptable to the anti-filter crew (even though it will soon to be blatted out of view in here anyway ... but just like with everything else I've ever posted in this forum, it will remain in the public record at http://derblatz.blogspot.com ) and I'll not use the word "internut" for the rest of this fare thee well.
Ok, the message. I'll start with a quote. It is from a 1999 speech delivered by someone I've supped, sipped, and socialised with (clang – sound of name being dropped) on various occasions over the last couple of decades, with the last occasion also shared with "richary" who has been a regular participant in this ILFC thread.
The speech could have been written for today which just goes to show how little has changed in the last 10 years since its writer delivered it at the Perth anti-censorship protest in May 28th, 1999.
You can find it here: http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/kh.html and it begins with:
"For some, the issue is free speech – not freedom to do illegal things, but the freedom to download and post to the Net anything that is legal in other media." – Kimberley Heitman, Chair, Electronic Frontiers Australia
Wow ... look how far we have come in 10 years. (rolls eyes)
Ok WarT, do your worst. I've fought the good fight against the unjust and underhanded and so But Of Course will will make the standard and necessary (if not typical) claim that my forced departure into the wilderness is from much higher moral ground than your own, and allow the next scape-goat to step up to face the fury and denials.
regarDS
PS: To the relative few of you who have ever received a whim from me, I deem such whims to be public domain and in no way private property.
Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Posted @ whirlpool as a reply whim to WarT
The following reply whim to WarT is in response to the SOQ/EOQ whim I just received delivering the reality (hey, we ALL know where this is going and what the outcome will be) that my participation in the ILCF thread is about to be permanently prevented.
Dear WarT has been The Mod who has inflicted prolly 99% of the "blats" (message deletions) that have been preserved to the public record in this blog instead. That kind of attention from a single Mod to one user should surely be cause for concern by the whirlpool owners and the rest of the Mod team, so I can't help but wonder if WarT is nearing the end of duties and responsibilities in that regard.
Anyway, here is The Whim. :)
SOQ
You've come to our attention as requiring some more moderation than the average user in Broadband, just to let you know that further moderation of your posts in there will result in a Forum Ban. You'll be able to contribute in other parts of Whirlpool; just not Broadband.
EOQ
Sure, whatever and thanks for the heads up, but you and I are prolly just never going to get on are we, WarT. Obviously this puts me at a disadvantage in terms of postings, but on the higher ground when it comes to moral behaviour so I guess this must be a case of a win for us both ... so it ain't all bad. :)
Anyway, that is quite a list of personal attention you've delivered my way in this particular topic so there is no point either of us pretending that no bias is involved here, nor in any way any kind of balanced and fair moderation.
Tis plain to see which side you are on when it comes to the future of the internut, but quite amusing to see just what you are prepared to do in order to protect that which is precious to you.
Tis also always nice to meet another pragmatist willing to make the ends justify the means even if we are batting for different teams.
Your method and mode of moderation will remain a matter of public record anyway (including this message), and it will be interesting to one day learn how you are viewed by your your fellow moderating team and those who have entrusted you to the task at whirlpool.
Until then,
regarDS
Dear WarT has been The Mod who has inflicted prolly 99% of the "blats" (message deletions) that have been preserved to the public record in this blog instead. That kind of attention from a single Mod to one user should surely be cause for concern by the whirlpool owners and the rest of the Mod team, so I can't help but wonder if WarT is nearing the end of duties and responsibilities in that regard.
Anyway, here is The Whim. :)
SOQ
You've come to our attention as requiring some more moderation than the average user in Broadband, just to let you know that further moderation of your posts in there will result in a Forum Ban. You'll be able to contribute in other parts of Whirlpool; just not Broadband.
EOQ
Sure, whatever and thanks for the heads up, but you and I are prolly just never going to get on are we, WarT. Obviously this puts me at a disadvantage in terms of postings, but on the higher ground when it comes to moral behaviour so I guess this must be a case of a win for us both ... so it ain't all bad. :)
Anyway, that is quite a list of personal attention you've delivered my way in this particular topic so there is no point either of us pretending that no bias is involved here, nor in any way any kind of balanced and fair moderation.
Tis plain to see which side you are on when it comes to the future of the internut, but quite amusing to see just what you are prepared to do in order to protect that which is precious to you.
Tis also always nice to meet another pragmatist willing to make the ends justify the means even if we are batting for different teams.
Your method and mode of moderation will remain a matter of public record anyway (including this message), and it will be interesting to one day learn how you are viewed by your your fellow moderating team and those who have entrusted you to the task at whirlpool.
Until then,
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24
By the way, the term "those of us" insinuates that there is more than one person using the term, when I would be stunned to find out there were more than just yourself, and floored if I found out there were enough to overflow a Hyundai Excel.
Settle, petal.
(various links proving a wide and varied use of the term "internut" deleted just in case the content changes) ;)
Etc.
Time to pick yourself up and upgrade to a People Mover from that Hyundai ...
regarDS
Settle, petal.
(various links proving a wide and varied use of the term "internut" deleted just in case the content changes) ;)
Etc.
Time to pick yourself up and upgrade to a People Mover from that Hyundai ...
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24
No doubt in the long run I won't care what pro-censorship people think of me because we'll have defeated the plan for another decade and can move onto other parts of the EFA agenda.
10 years is such a short time span in the scheme of things from my perspective, but do pass on a "Sparrow says hello" to The Heitman from me when next you confer ... then even more illumination is sure to follow.
In the meantime, I think we both know that the censorship of the web is destined to continue and increase – and for most of us it is never going to be a problem either.
But hey, whatever pays your salary, eh ?
regarDS
10 years is such a short time span in the scheme of things from my perspective, but do pass on a "Sparrow says hello" to The Heitman from me when next you confer ... then even more illumination is sure to follow.
In the meantime, I think we both know that the censorship of the web is destined to continue and increase – and for most of us it is never going to be a problem either.
But hey, whatever pays your salary, eh ?
regarDS
Posted @ forum.behindbigbrother.com
I'm including the following post of mine from a different forum area to save certain whirlpoolers the trouble of searching it out. :)
SOQ
Obviously my views come from the position that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", and carry on from there to include the obvious logical conclusion that since God created, then there was a reason for doing so and an interest (and even a vested one at that) in it. My views come from the position that our bodies are merely temporary vehicles to be driven by something that has been designed to out-live the flesh in its current corruptible form.
From there I move on to Objective Morality ... that being a code/key to the best life possible, for our flesh and that which drives it as provided by the one who designed it.
In contrast to that, in these disturbing so called "modern" times, we have generations of humanity who have been brought up on the nonsense of there being no Creator or point to life but rather we are the accidental product of non-living sludge that somehow became life in the billions of different forms it takes now.
We are taught that not only is the no point, craft, nor design to life, but also nothing we do during our time alive actually means anything anyway and we are only fooling ourselves if we think it does for when we die we become nothing but a memory soon to be forgotten and there is nothing beyond the flesh and the materialistic and sensations it can experience.
Similarly we are taught that because there is no God, no Creator behind creation, that Objective Morality is nothing but a lie made up by certain humans in order to control others; a lie that should be abandoned in favour of Subjective Morality ... that everyone is both right and free to make up whatever rules and ways of being they choose because there is no such thing as right or wrong and even if there was it just doesn't matter because there is no point to life anyway and everything finishes with the grave.
Out of the foundationless mire of Subjective Morality you get the kind of tripe that is the dualistic (Kinsey) scaled pendulum named "sexuality" that seeks to divide people up along a two dimensional grading ranging from "hetero" to "homo".
And what a load of misery that kind of thinking brings ... but hey, once folk have abandoned knowledge of the Creator and the Objective Morality/Code for the Best Life possible and instead start believing that there is no point to life and near everything they are is because of the genetic makeup of their flesh, then it is no great surprise that they should start to claim they have no choice when it comes to a whole bunch of stuff, when the fact is they have every choice available under the sun but merely don't want to be held accountable for the poor choices they do decide upon.
Pardon me if I prefer the truth of the matter and choose to share it with my son ... anyway, who are you to judge if your lives and views are built upon subjectivity rather than objectivity ?
Subjectivity simply has no fixed foundation to measure from nor absolutes to deliver !
So, just like I tell numba1son, I'll tell you; Choose whatever you like, but "own your own shit" !
As for "offensive". Well as a wise guy once said: "There is nothing more offensive than the brutal truth delivered brutally to those who don't want to hear it".
Oh wait, that was me: http://forum.behindbigbrother.com/sh...1&postcount=37 :)
But Of Course, according to those embracing Subjective Morality over Objective Morality, I'm neither right nor wrong with any of this anyway.
So what's the problem ?EOQ
regarDS
SOQ
Obviously my views come from the position that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", and carry on from there to include the obvious logical conclusion that since God created, then there was a reason for doing so and an interest (and even a vested one at that) in it. My views come from the position that our bodies are merely temporary vehicles to be driven by something that has been designed to out-live the flesh in its current corruptible form.
From there I move on to Objective Morality ... that being a code/key to the best life possible, for our flesh and that which drives it as provided by the one who designed it.
In contrast to that, in these disturbing so called "modern" times, we have generations of humanity who have been brought up on the nonsense of there being no Creator or point to life but rather we are the accidental product of non-living sludge that somehow became life in the billions of different forms it takes now.
We are taught that not only is the no point, craft, nor design to life, but also nothing we do during our time alive actually means anything anyway and we are only fooling ourselves if we think it does for when we die we become nothing but a memory soon to be forgotten and there is nothing beyond the flesh and the materialistic and sensations it can experience.
Similarly we are taught that because there is no God, no Creator behind creation, that Objective Morality is nothing but a lie made up by certain humans in order to control others; a lie that should be abandoned in favour of Subjective Morality ... that everyone is both right and free to make up whatever rules and ways of being they choose because there is no such thing as right or wrong and even if there was it just doesn't matter because there is no point to life anyway and everything finishes with the grave.
Out of the foundationless mire of Subjective Morality you get the kind of tripe that is the dualistic (Kinsey) scaled pendulum named "sexuality" that seeks to divide people up along a two dimensional grading ranging from "hetero" to "homo".
And what a load of misery that kind of thinking brings ... but hey, once folk have abandoned knowledge of the Creator and the Objective Morality/Code for the Best Life possible and instead start believing that there is no point to life and near everything they are is because of the genetic makeup of their flesh, then it is no great surprise that they should start to claim they have no choice when it comes to a whole bunch of stuff, when the fact is they have every choice available under the sun but merely don't want to be held accountable for the poor choices they do decide upon.
Pardon me if I prefer the truth of the matter and choose to share it with my son ... anyway, who are you to judge if your lives and views are built upon subjectivity rather than objectivity ?
Subjectivity simply has no fixed foundation to measure from nor absolutes to deliver !
So, just like I tell numba1son, I'll tell you; Choose whatever you like, but "own your own shit" !
As for "offensive". Well as a wise guy once said: "There is nothing more offensive than the brutal truth delivered brutally to those who don't want to hear it".
Oh wait, that was me: http://forum.behindbigbrother.com/sh...1&postcount=37 :)
But Of Course, according to those embracing Subjective Morality over Objective Morality, I'm neither right nor wrong with any of this anyway.
So what's the problem ?EOQ
regarDS
Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24
The New York Times quotes me, you quote yourself.
Well, at least we can see by this how seriously you want to be taken and how important the opinions of your peers are to you, but no need for you to make this mistake that everyone else wants to be measured in such ways – or that it actually counts for all that much in the long run.
You also don't need to make the mistake that my use of the apt descriptor "internut" has much to do with the framework and technology. Obviously I'm virtually always making reference to what it has largely become in terms of it's users.
Still a bit of a LOL that you are asking me to censor myself so that you don't have to get offended yet at the same time you are objecting to those of us who are calling for the same sort of thing for the internut re: a "clean feed" and ILCF.
Perhaps the New York Times and those who think lofty thoughts about you might be able to bring enlightenment and illumination as to how most people see that kind of thinking ?
regarDS
Well, at least we can see by this how seriously you want to be taken and how important the opinions of your peers are to you, but no need for you to make this mistake that everyone else wants to be measured in such ways – or that it actually counts for all that much in the long run.
You also don't need to make the mistake that my use of the apt descriptor "internut" has much to do with the framework and technology. Obviously I'm virtually always making reference to what it has largely become in terms of it's users.
Still a bit of a LOL that you are asking me to censor myself so that you don't have to get offended yet at the same time you are objecting to those of us who are calling for the same sort of thing for the internut re: a "clean feed" and ILCF.
Perhaps the New York Times and those who think lofty thoughts about you might be able to bring enlightenment and illumination as to how most people see that kind of thinking ?
regarDS
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