Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt5

further try to do that with a 13 yr old+ they will tell a parent to go and relocate themselve's amongst some further stronger words I would say

Any 13yr old who would talk to a parent anywhere near what you just suggested, is a strong indication that the parent has long since failed at being a parent ... which only goes to argue in favour of The Filters.

After all, if parents can't control their kids any more and the kids have no respect for anything the parents say or want them to do, then there really is no choice but to apply a heavier hand from higher up.

In short, if what you are saying is true, then Oz has brought this upon itself ... and even then it is probably too little too late.

regarDS