Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt11

derspatz writes...I tend to think you are hanging a disproportionate amount of importance on the internut as The Vehicle for alleged "free speech/expression"

Sparrow, the impact of filters on free speech has been overstated, but the importance of uninhibited communication (with low latency and neglible pricing) has not been stressed enough.

I'm happy to take the middle pedal, uh, ground on this one and quite agree with you Sostenuto. Besides, a long held view of mine is that virtually all electronic forms of communication in Oz (and then the whole world) should be publicly owned and free, rather than be the corrupted money grubbing vehicle holding the masses to ransom that they mostly currently are.

Your age is showing. There is a huge cultural gap between your generation and the children of Web 2.0.

Yup, my generation wrote/created/paved the way for much of what we see now (naughty us), and most of the current generation have turned it into the McWeb/McNet; a bloated, obese, over-commercialised and unpleasant place to visit that also betrays its roots.

ie, the Virtual New Garden has instead become The New Babylon.

Perhaps that might clarify another reason why I'm not too bothered as to what happens to it next. Heck, if ILCF forces a return to innovation and advancement and a moving away from commerce and fleecing the masses, then I say "Senator Conroy, do your worst !"

In the meantime, I believe it is right and correct to attempt to "clean the stream" while it still can be done, but we are now drifting into territory which has very little to do with the medium and everything to do with the message, and thus mostly beyond the scope of this discussion thread.

I don't think you have a clue how being really connected feels. I probably can't explain it.

A number of us here started with CB and Ham radio (and some even continue with that. Hi richary) and have been "connected" for a long, long, time, and it is our interests in these things that see us still involved in the evolution of "being connected" to this day. The internut wasn't with us when we began, and who knows what will take its place next.

Whatever it will be, it will be as either interest or necessity demands – just as it generally has always been.

The way my 16yo is "connected" with friends spread far and wide, isn't all that different, and I doubt that any of them either know nor care about the up and coming ILCF for it won't impact on their online world one iota.

And why should it ?

regarDS