Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

@18492727 Mark Newton writes...
["With all that scrutiny over all that time, if there was a definitive indication of harm we'd have found it by now and it'd be common knowledge."]

We have, it is, and so I must say that you are either lying or trolling (and have herringed accordingly on the latter, although I doubt if WarT will be inclined to agree) here Mark ... and I suspect you are quite aware that you are in fact doing both.

Anyway, to keep things simple for you, here is just two names for you to digest today.

Bob Crane and John Worboys.

Then when you are done with your investigations there, head over to http://www.woai.com/content/news/newslinks/story/Porn-addiction-may-cause-brain-damage/pEv5fGR-xEu5AIrXNg5iFA.cspx

Today, more than ever, we need greater and far more strict control of unwholesome and degrading graphic information. As for the damaging effects of such information, even blind freddy could see that it is self-evident.

Except to addicts in denial out to justify and protect their supply at all costs that is ...

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

"We have no children in our household so why do we need a clean feed?"

For the same reason fluroide is added to your water. IE, coz on so many levels it is good for the long term welfare of both you, your local community, society and nation.

The ANZACS didn't go and sacrifice their lives and limbs for us so that lawlessness could abound; they did it so goodness and decency could be preserved. Yet the current cesspool which is the Internut is how we repay their nobility and selflessness.

So, by comparison, what are you prepared to sacrifice so that goodness and decency can be restored and preserved ?

Oh I commend you for your choice of not having children (tis virtually planned future child abuse to choose to spawn these days anyway), and for sure, my fellow supporters of the philosophies promoted at http://www.vhemt.org will be overjoyed, but what are you prepared to do in terms of "going the extra mile" for the good of humankind and the planet ?

Surely a little Internut filtering wouldn't be too much to ask, especially if it helps promote a revival of more admirable human behaviours and a turning away from that which merely serves to enslave and degrade us, hmmm ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

Mark Newton writes...
I expect there's room for a balanced approach.

- mark

I concur.

Nice to see some words of true wisdom from "the other side" in this debate, too.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt31

'saving' the children from obscenity just leaves them ill-prepared for the real world... better to shove it in their faces and discuss/explain it with them than shield them from it all together.

Or alternatively try and make the world a better place for young AND old by encouraging one and all to consider the higher responsibilities of true freedom and the beauty of free willed sacrifice in order to bring worthwhile benefit to others, and the recognition that sometimes the weak-willed need to be helped and guided to the better path and way by limiting their choices in relation to that which hinders and degrades.

Surely one of the higher responsibilities of the truly free would be to make every sacrifice necessary to protect the innocence of children and by doing so, also be unselfishly contributing towards creating a better future for humankind, and surely, when it comes to the weak-willed who are either unwilling or unable to make such sacrifices, when it comes to The Online World, something like ILCF needs to be implimented to make the choices and defining/dividing line so much simpler.

Sure, "worldproof the child" while there is the need to, but why not also work towards "childproofing the world" until the day is reached where no "worldproofing" is required ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool as a whim (Private Mail) to neilmc

Subject: Your attempts to go Real World on Clive Hamilton

(See: http://blog.websinthe.org/2009/02/20/where-clive-hamilton-accuses-me-of-trying-to-silence-him/ for more on the story, as well as: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1145505&p=53 and the long message from user "neilmc" detailing his planned cowardly and underhanded Real World attack on someone he does not agree with.

Start-of-quote
"From my point of view it appears that Professor Hamilton has launched a personal anti-pornography campaign and is using his University title to add weight to his agenda."

So what ? None of us are any different when it comes to linking earned titles and the like with what we do or say. When one has done the work and put themself through the discipline, they have earned the bragging rights after all.

Perhaps it is time for you to seek some professional help for your online addictions (and fear of finding it hard to feed them once ILCF is implimented) now that you have so obviously come to the sad and scary stage whereby you are prepared to try and have someone somehow moderated or shut-down by complaining to their employer and/or associates.

Quite shameful, cowardly, and despicable of you neil (and I'm sure your peers, if they be of any decent moral fibre, will agree), and in fact not much different to the alleged phonecall/message that was delivered to Geordie Guy's residence or the investigation I once had to go through all because someone who couldn't handle being found wrong on the internut, decided to try and get revenge by making a false claim to my employer at the time.

I strongly suggest you reconsider both your intent and motivations.

Feel free to post this whim into the public domain either at whirlpool or as a comment on a blog, whatever. I will be adding it to my online public accessed archives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com anyway.

regarDS
End-of-quote

EDIT: After sending the above, I also discovered that even the Hero of the Anti-ILCF brigade (Mark Newton) had this to say (and more, but I'll stick to fair-use) about neilmc's planned Real Worlding.

"Guys, I feel the need to pour some cold water on this effort to chase Hamilton through CSU. (much snipped) But in my opinion, the correct response to speech with which one violently disagrees is more speech to explain the disagreement. Trawling through the speaker's social and professional circles until you find a point where you can apply pressure to prevent further speech is just wrong."

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt28

richary writes...
Email just sent to Getup through their contact page.....

I recently donated to the campaign to place advertisements relating to the anti internet filtering scheme proposed for Australia. Like many other people I have yet to see an online ad.

Can you please advise where the money donated for this campaign has gone? Where the ads appeared and if it was spent on this campaign.

If you have diverted to something else I will be taking action via Visa who I donated through as well as the local Consumer Affairs people that you have collected money fraudelenty and I did not get what I paid for.

Regards

Richard

Take action Richary. But I did warn all you guys way back in these threads (don't bother looking for it, it was blatted and so only lives at http://derblatz.blogspot.com now:)) that giving to the left-wing environmentalist front organisation "GetUp!" was a foolish idea and that at first opportunity they would be redirecting "donations" to their more serious agendas.

See: http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/posted-dbcde-blog-site.html in which I say:

"That the likes of the putrid lefty "GetUp!" lobbying group have now chosen to now align themselves with this latest public fad topic (no doubt in order to fleece a new breed of sheep then redirect conned, uh, donated funds to their more extreme lefty agendas where-ever possible) is one of the best indications that the likes of ILCF is not only well justified but also well overdue.

Why ? Well since when did the likes of GetUp! ever get involved in supporting what is actually Good and Right for Australia ?"

and: http://derspatz.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-up-stand-up-getup-for-your-lefts.html which includes my waffle of:

"... They've now reached the stage where they are haplessly handing over cash to an Oz organization that is so Radically-Extreme-Yet-Carefully-Camouflaged-Left that they make the Evil Lefty Greens look like die Hitler-Jugend !

But Of Course I am referring to "GetUp!". If you've not heard of them before, the "GetUp!" stands for "Greenie Environmentalist Terrorists Undermining Peace!" though they would never tell you it stands for that ... but Der Apfel fällt nicht weit vom Baum, ja?

This gaily painted sinister lobbying group casts the combined shadow of every Lefty political party you could imagine, including those yet to be spawned from whatever Bog of Eternal Stench it is that continually manages to foist such wrongness upon common humanity.

Think of every issue and controversy that divides Oz and you will find the GetUp! crowd busy lobbying in favour of those on the WRONG side of the division and working towards making things even WORSE for Oz than it already is."

In short, you've all done your money when it comes to GetUp! ... but please get those complaints rolling in as I for one would love to see them investigated and shut down.

regarDS
PS: I guess that's my magic bullet used up ... I was going to save it for ILCF Implementation day, but oh well. :)

Posted @ whirlpool as a whim to Geordie Guy

Hi Geordie.

Sorry to read that you've apparently suffered real-world nutty attention for your views, but I'm glad it wasn't as bad as the kind I've suffered in the past where someone who was losing a debate with me online, used knowledge of my identity to track me down and my employment and then tried to get me fired from my job and as it was a politically sensitive Government job, an obligitory investigation was instigated which cost me shift penalties for the duration along with causing considerable inconvenience and annoyance ... but at least when I was ButOfCourse exonerated, there was then recourse for my employers to push back the other way against the frivolous complaint and the perjerous scum who chose to do such a cowardly and disgusting thing.

No small wonder that I tend to protect the IDs of my loved ones and no small wonder I prefer using the word "internut" over "internet" ... especially when it comes to describing the cowardly antics of thugs and morons sniping forth from behind anonymity and nicks, and also why I prefer to not allow comments on my main blog.

Allowing them on the blog dedicated to my posts to the whirlpool ILCF thread has earned me the following abuse from whirlpool forum users though:
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2009/01/posted-whirlpool-as-reply-whim-to-wart.html?showComment=1233124560000#c4830164280170942494 and
http://derblatz.blogspot.com/2008/11/posted-whirlpool-ilcf-pt11.html?showComment=1233119880000#c8959391071177409818 ... which I don't see as being much different than some fanatical (inter)nut leaving abuse on your answering machine.

Nice move with the subtle cultivating of the idea that I'd be the kind of guy to deliver some sort of cowardly anon attack/abuse upon someone and in the offline world at that - I didn't figure you to be THAT much of a pragmatist, but hey, at least I know where I stand with you now. :)

Anyway, for the sake of the record, here is a sample of my voice to compare to your recording. http://derspatz.webng.com/sweet.htm

I deem this whim (just like with all others I send) to be public domain and as such it shall be added to http://derblatz.blogspot.com/ for the sake of keeping an open record.

regarDS

Posted @ ABC "Life Matters"

Posted to: http://www2b.abc.net.au/guestbookcentral/list.asp?guestbookID=359

or comment on it there by clicking: http://www2b.abc.net.au/guestbookcentral/addcomment.asp?GuestbookID=359&EntryID=2144420&view=&numtoview=&start=&sort=&filter1=&filter1val=&filter2=&filter2val=&filter3=&filter3val=&advanced=&pagestart=1

derspatz: "Clean Feed" - internut filtering

I tend to suspect that the loudest voices protesting the Government's correct and necessary efforts regarding bringing the internut into line with the laws that govern things offline, are from those with the most to lose in terms of being cut off from their chosen poisons and/or having to actually start paying for intellectual property they currently prefer to mainly steal. That such voices are also apparently in favour of protecting and promoting a system that in current form helps continue the objectifing, degradation, enslaving, and exploitation of women, really only helps prove how necessary Government intervention has become, and not before its time either.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt24. A Fare Thee Well ?

DerSpatz is likely one of several people who have watched the debate, have strong feelings about content on the web and how it should be dealt with, and enjoy some of the heat that comes with taking a stance against a popular position.

This is almost trolling but not really, and it's important to make the distinction because otherwise the word troll becomes a cliché and starts to lose it's meaning.

Trolls usually enter conversations with the express purpose of posting inflammatory, off-topic or irrelavent messages. DerSpatz isn't really inflammatory (for the express sake of it), usually sticks somewhat on topic (just on an indefensible side of it) and generally speaking you can't accuse him of raising irrelavent points because despite his abject wrongness, he presumably does actually feel this way even if it raises questions about how far behind he is on his brain bills.

Cheers Geordie, but too little too late, and don't expect this last reply of mine in the ILCF forum thread to remain for very long before a certain somewhat over-zealous (to say the least) Mod at last gets to see the "perma-ban" it has so obviously been itching to see dropped upon me for for some time now.

You're wrong about most things when it comes to me (for example, I've been protecting family identities for decades, and I *have* had serious offline world harrasment in the past in response to things conveyed online, so who wouldn't want to shield family from such "internuts" – and why should family have to suffer or risk suffering such attentions because of a rep I choose for myself online ?) but hey, the topic is ILFC and not derspatz so moving right along ...

So, I thought I'd leave the ILCF and Broadband area with a message more acceptable to the anti-filter crew (even though it will soon to be blatted out of view in here anyway ... but just like with everything else I've ever posted in this forum, it will remain in the public record at http://derblatz.blogspot.com ) and I'll not use the word "internut" for the rest of this fare thee well.

Ok, the message. I'll start with a quote. It is from a 1999 speech delivered by someone I've supped, sipped, and socialised with (clang – sound of name being dropped) on various occasions over the last couple of decades, with the last occasion also shared with "richary" who has been a regular participant in this ILFC thread.

The speech could have been written for today which just goes to show how little has changed in the last 10 years since its writer delivered it at the Perth anti-censorship protest in May 28th, 1999.

You can find it here: http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/perth/kh.html and it begins with:

"For some, the issue is free speech – not freedom to do illegal things, but the freedom to download and post to the Net anything that is legal in other media." – Kimberley Heitman, Chair, Electronic Frontiers Australia

Wow ... look how far we have come in 10 years. (rolls eyes)

Ok WarT, do your worst. I've fought the good fight against the unjust and underhanded and so But Of Course will will make the standard and necessary (if not typical) claim that my forced departure into the wilderness is from much higher moral ground than your own, and allow the next scape-goat to step up to face the fury and denials.

regarDS
PS: To the relative few of you who have ever received a whim from me, I deem such whims to be public domain and in no way private property.

Posted @ whirlpool as a reply whim to WarT

The following reply whim to WarT is in response to the SOQ/EOQ whim I just received delivering the reality (hey, we ALL know where this is going and what the outcome will be) that my participation in the ILCF thread is about to be permanently prevented.

Dear WarT has been The Mod who has inflicted prolly 99% of the "blats" (message deletions) that have been preserved to the public record in this blog instead. That kind of attention from a single Mod to one user should surely be cause for concern by the whirlpool owners and the rest of the Mod team, so I can't help but wonder if WarT is nearing the end of duties and responsibilities in that regard.

Anyway, here is The Whim. :)

SOQ
You've come to our attention as requiring some more moderation than the average user in Broadband, just to let you know that further moderation of your posts in there will result in a Forum Ban. You'll be able to contribute in other parts of Whirlpool; just not Broadband.
EOQ

Sure, whatever and thanks for the heads up, but you and I are prolly just never going to get on are we, WarT. Obviously this puts me at a disadvantage in terms of postings, but on the higher ground when it comes to moral behaviour so I guess this must be a case of a win for us both ... so it ain't all bad. :)

Anyway, that is quite a list of personal attention you've delivered my way in this particular topic so there is no point either of us pretending that no bias is involved here, nor in any way any kind of balanced and fair moderation.

Tis plain to see which side you are on when it comes to the future of the internut, but quite amusing to see just what you are prepared to do in order to protect that which is precious to you.

Tis also always nice to meet another pragmatist willing to make the ends justify the means even if we are batting for different teams.

Your method and mode of moderation will remain a matter of public record anyway (including this message), and it will be interesting to one day learn how you are viewed by your your fellow moderating team and those who have entrusted you to the task at whirlpool.

Until then,

regarDS