Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

You guys can never accept that restrictions on certain messages in certain venues is not the same thing as censorship, can you?

No, because even by degrees, it is still censorship and necessarily so. The quibble here is merely when it becomes (and oh how this word make me laugh) "offensive".

Tis so much easier to determine via the measure of Objective as opposed to subjective, too – with the added bonus of the cross over point being quite fixed with the former and quite meaningless with the latter.

When the Government steps in and says there is no venue appropriate for your message, that's censorship.

No, that is just a particular level of censorship that you may or may not support according to personal preference probably decided/influenced by subjectivity.

Just like when WP mods step in and say these forums are not an appropriate vehicle for one's message, or your workplace steps in and says their network isn't appropriate vehicle for your message.

Once a community decide that something is not appropriate for the well being and progess of said community, censorship is a necessary and justifiable follow on from that decision, and there is nothing evil or unreasonably oppressive about implementing such needful censorship once that decision has been made – unless that which is being shutdown is actually the way of righteousness that is ... but then we are back to Subjective Morality vs Objective Morality again, hmmm ?

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I for one will not be censored.

Oh ? Trying leaving that kind of comment at my blog !

If you honestly look at things, you are already being censored in many many ways and many of those ways you implicitly agree with and actively support.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

seems like he is only concerned for his own needs...not the wider community

Read back through the whole 8 threads and you will soon see that I've been trying to promote the taking of the current version of McWeb/McNet/internut beyond the control of any government or special interest group for all time ... whilst also supporting the reasonable and required and necessary attempts of our elected government to try and control the online world in similar fashion to the offline world while they still can.

I think you'll find that I am quite the pragmatist ... as well as Realist.

Oh, and Deconstructionist.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Clinton tried to censor the Internet,

Clinton the democrat who endorsed the Obama nation ?

When Obama finishes nominating left-leaning justices to the bench, how would you rate the probability of any future administration having any more luck than Clinton had?

Considerable, especially considering the kind of world the left leaning want to build and the kind of power they long to wield.

I'm kinda enjoying the deMarkation that is being established at long last, along with seeing who is on which side of it.

At last, more a case of "black and white" instead of nebulous shades of grey.

I'm on the team which comes out as ultimate winner regardless of what I might suffer along the way, BTW. :)

Obama WILL censor that which he does not want regardless of constitution. In fact, he'll use constitution in order to justify censor.

You won't mind though, coz the kinds of things he'll be seeking to suppress will be that which you rather didn't exist too.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

When was the last time you saw someone under the age of 30 terrified about the Internet?

Straw. No one is terrified and the governments are merely using a certain aspect of it as a means to an ends that suits only what the wise and sensible of us know only too well.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I don't have access to this "internut", but as luck would have it, I can get Google News on my internet though, so can you point me to the page where you read it?

The reaction you show to a word I cooked up and began using long before coming to these forums only helps show how seriously/less than healthily you take this communicative medium. The internut is a tool and a means to an ends, not something to be worshipped, for crying out loud !

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

derspatz writes...And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

lol, oh bloody hell, your just as bad as [deleted].

Aside from watching the American who addressed the Press Club about the future of the internet, as shown on ABC TV this week, I've actually spent time in the USofA.

The aforementioned American asserted that when it comes to the USofA, they would rather lose their cell phone access, then their internet, then their TV, whereas here in Oz, we would rather lose our TV, then our internet, then our mobile phone access.

I was particularly amazed at this proven/polled/researched opinion because having spent time in the USofA, I have seen their TV.

It is the most (happily I might add) censored medium you could hope to see in comparison to what we get here in Oz. In fact, shows they make there that they sell to us here, look/sound quite differently to the product we get to see here. Yup, we get the UNCENSORED versions in many cases !

So, with that in mind, in a country that cares more about its TV (and TV which they are already quite happy/used to being censored to pieces) than internet, do you think Obama is going to have much trouble establishing filtering systems that suit his aims, hmmm ?

Get Real.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

Another core Obama policy is to protect children online "while protecting the First Amendment" through delivery of tools and information to help parents control what their children see.

And you don't see this as the "thin end of the wedge" ?

Astounding !

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

derspatz writes...

Where did you hear that?

He won't last long if he tries that.derspatz writes...Even Obama wants to do it to the USofA.

Where did you hear that?

Ironically enough, the internut. :)

Compliments to links via Google News.

regarDS

Posted @ whirlpool - ILCF pt8

I think wholesale ADSL and ADSL2+ ports are a) only available when purchased in bulk, and b) still need a backbone provider and other network links and hardware in order to actually get access to the internet.

So form a co-op with other like minded in here.

ISP-level filtering is a bad idea, and a problem. Scrap the flawed idea, and the problem goes away.

It isn't ever going to go away. It's going to keep coming back over and over again until it is in, and not only in Oz, but a whole load of other countries as well.

Even Obama wants to do it to the USofA.

So like I said, time folk started thinking outside the filter.

regarDS